Posted on Jun 14, 2019
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This soldier keeps going to sick call and getting quarters but it’s at weird times, always complaining of stomach issues. Do I have to catch the soldier In the act or are there any other avenues that would support my case?
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Being sick is not against the UCMJ, but malingering is. Does it impact the mission enough to warrant your time spent on it? If so, proceed but tread lightly. No underhanded sneaky peaky or outright surveillance. You should be documenting it regularly but only facts. If he later is boarded for conduct or health it will be helpful. Partner with NCOIC or PSG and go from there. Get your ducks aligned first.
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How does one tell if they are really sick or just faking it ?
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SSgt Joseph Baptist - As a Wobbly One (WO1) I got pneumonia in the winter while at MEC-Pohang. Had an x-ray to find out why lungs were gurgling. One was 2/3 full of fluids. We were living in a hardback GP tent, but had a kerosene heater. The Corpsman put me on indefinite bed rest and huge antibiotic pills, plus lots of fluids. I only got out of my sleeping bag to make head calls for about 2 days. By the third day I was able to eat chow they brought from field mess, and was basically mended. So I can relate to being legitimately sick in the field. I agree with your suggestions.
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SSgt Joseph Baptist - They need to learn how to do their job in the field. It's a different ballgame when away from all the maintenance equipment in garrison. On ship is a different situation as well, but if you're a wrench turner you have to do it in support of the mission.
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SGT (Join to see) - By being a Doctor.
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You can bring your concerns up to your command, the commander has a open line of communication with the Unit PA/ legal team and can bring up any concern regarding a malingering soldier to them. You aren’t a medical professional (PA), and any accusation of malingering to a soldier is threading on thin ice.
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MSgt Michael Smith
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Once upon a time, a long time ago, I was put in charge of an Airman no one wanted to be in charge of. She was considered lazy, overweight, and constantly would go to sick-call complaining of headaches and fatigue. We all thought that she was the problem, especially since she didn't get along with her previous supervisor. Eventually she complained enough and got a medical discharge for chronic migraine headaches. We all thought this was just weak and pathetic since when she was around she always seemed fine. Well...two years later the real culprit appeared. Degenerative Multiple Sclerosis. She was 25 then. Seems like we were wrong. The bullying her, thinking she was a turd airman, lazy, etc. was all misplaced. She actually was sick. She committed suicide about 6 months after her diagnosis because she didn't want to be a burden on her two children. So maybe you stop and evaluate the situation a little more, be more objective in your judgments. Cause not everyone with frequent trips to sick call is lazy or weak. Some are actually sick.
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Hindsight is 20/20. I don't know if this is the appropriate response, but thank you for sharing. That's real, and have seen myself assume bad intentions in some soldiers. For example, one of my buds that I reclassed with started seeing mental health during AIT. The way he carried himself, I thought it was just a way for him to sham out of class/ bring attention to himself/ whatever. I didn't think he was as depressed as he claimed he was. Turns out, I was wrong, as well.

It's too easy to assume people are usually trying to play and scam the system to their favor; it's sad that we don't automatically assume that there is something legitimately wrong with the service member.
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What proof would you need to support your cause on a soldier malingering ?
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I do not know if this would fly anymore.

Most often, if someone was malingering it was to get out of a field event, or force march. I used them as training aids. After consulting with the Battalion surgeon, any Marine that could go to the field without violating medical restrictions, did. Within the limits imposed by the Battalion Surgeon and supervised by the Battalion Medical Chief and Company Corpsmen the "sick, lame, and lazy" were treated as battlefield casualties.

Appropriate to the training event, they were used as simulated casualties who had to be found, retrieved, treated, evacuated, and transported to the Battalion Aid Station (BAS). A CP tent was set up outside the garrison Command Post as the "Battalion Aid Station." During field exercises the "casualties" were either in the field, or in garrison restricted to the CP tent. While in the garrison BAS, they rested and recovered under the loving care of the Battalion Officer of the Day and the Staff Duty, without distractions like TV, radio, etc. etc. No one went to their quarters, for the duration of the field exercise.

It seems that boredom has medicinal restorative properties.
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That will show who is trying to get out of something and who has a real problem.
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I would take it in a different direction. First, it is the commander’s role to work with the medical team regarding the health of their Soldiers. So if you are not the Commander or 1SG I would push this one back to them. Second, if you are the Commander, then I would talk directly to the Doc and address this concern as you can get feedback from the doc regarding a way forward. Third, if this continues with no end and no clear cause, I would ask for a med board or referral to a specialist. Past that you are going to have an almost impossible task of proving malingering. I am speaking as a former Warrior Transition Unit Commander. You could also speak to legal but they will tell you to talk to the care team (doc).
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MAJ Rabi Singh
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My buddy in 10th Mountain used to have a BDE Physicians Assistant who used to be hooah, like SF or something. Whenever my buddy suspected or knew that Joe was faking it to go to sick call, he would call Hooah PA. If the Soldier was legitimately sick, Hooah PA would compassionately do his job, but if he sensed or knew that Joe was malingering, he would employ the following technique. "You said your stomach is hurting? How long has it been hurting? Oh no! This could be very dangerous! What I need to do (begins putting rubber gloves on while talking) is do a probe to determine if it is (insert some highly dangerous medical condition) or if it is (insert another highly dangerous medical condition). I need you to drop your pants and underwear, bend over and place your hands on the bench." Magically, Joe was instantaneously healed of whatever malady caused him to come to the Bn Aid Station. Take this war story and do with it what you will.
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Short of the Soldier admitting it - it’s a tough nut to crack. Continue to document and see if it’s a pattern that occurs before major training events. Could be legit. As a Commander - I’ve never seen anyone prove malingering.
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Thank sir, I’m not trying aiming to get him out, it’s just always the same thing stomach pains and then on quarters. I informed my command team and we had a sit down. The 1sg told him that if he was doing it to get out of duty to knock it off and that he already contacted the PA to see if there is a trend. SM then wanted a word with the 1sg and commander and my soldier asked me to leave the room, I think he lost all trust in me. Which I can understand.
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MSgt Michael Smith
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SGT (Join to see) - If he is having the same stomach pains all the time, then it sounds chronic and he needs to see a Gastroenterologist. There are a huge number of possible things, some of which are very serious.
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MCPO Hilary Kunz
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What case? You have a sick soldier or one that professes to be sick, you don’t know.
I assume that you are the boss. You don’t start with a hypothesis (soldier malingering), you investigate first, that keeps from clouding your judgement. If there are rumors cut them short, as in, “Knock it off!” Get to know the guy or gal, find out from them if there’s anything you can do to help them. That’s a good way to get them to open up, and get you the answer.
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CPT Mike Sims
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I would exercise caution here. I had a Soldier once who complained of the same thing. His squad leader wanted to get him for malingering - but I intervened. As a former NCO, I reminded the squad leader that we are not doctors and that I trusted that the Corporal was not a malingerer and that perhaps the Corporal doesn't even know why this was happening to him. Who would put themelves through that much pain or the trouble of being harassed if they truly didn't have a medical issue? I would say be supportive, show some human compassion and realize that your support might save a life - and someday you may find yourself seeking such compassion should you ever face a similar health issue. By the way, the Corporal in my unit had to be transferred to a specialized medical facility in another state and he never returned to us again - it took our base medical team 3 months to discover what was wrong with him, and the constant berating by his squad leader certainly didn't help him. I pray for you both - one, that your Soldier recovers and two, that you grow and mature as a leader to discover that with age comes experience and wisdom to help you become a better effective leader.
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LTC Jason Mackay
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Still fuzzy on what catching him in the act looks like for stomach issues.

There is nothing to keep you from following up on an ill soldier. Not sure what you'd find. Sitting on the couch watching Maury looks the exact same with or with out stomach maladies. Unless he has Atomic Fireball wings from Buffalo Wild Wings or something. Or you catch him hooking up in his room during quarters....don't worry baby, I told them I had diarrhea....
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LTC Jason Mackay
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SSgt Joseph Baptist exactly, but if he’s in his quarters, that’s about it.
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