Posted on Mar 25, 2021
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Backstory. This Soldier has know about the ASU inspection for well over a mont and had gained a substantial amount of weight this past year. She knew a month ago that she didn’t fit in her uniform. But instead of coming forward and saying anything she decided to show up the day of the inspection with it on a hanger saying she has it but it doesn’t fit. Is a punishment warranted for this action? If not what steps or counseling should I give her forcing her to buy a new uniform. Looking for guidance?
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SSG Katherine Likely
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yes, punishment. how about the old one. 100 lines of i will loose weight, then 100 lines of i will get a uniform that fits me properly. she showed lack of respect for the unit, for the command and for herself.
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PO2 Richard Taylor
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Enhanced PT every day until she fits the uniform again and then stands for inspection.
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PO1 Edward Pate
PO1 Edward Pate
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Some EMI sessions would be in order too along with no Liberty!
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SGT Cavalry Scout
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I don't want to be super critical here, and this is only an opinion. In my day, enlisted units functioned as teams. Something went seriously wrong in your team for this to happen. These type of events are always the result of an entire chain of events of failure. A soldier failing inspection is a failure of the entire team. If this soldier is not a Sergeant, were was the Sergeant (E-5), her team leader? Where were her peers? Like for many others in this forum, it's hard for me to believe that no one noticed this troop was either slacking or failing (even, or perhaps especially, new arrivals to a team must be fully inspected and fit and serviceability of all issue gear verified). When someone is or falls behind, it is everyone's duty on the team to do something about it. Just as it is everyone's duty to look out for each other in combat. This is the military, and not everyone graduating from basic training is mature enough to plan ahead to not fail. This is why there is a rigid supervisory system in place, that is supposed to address failures to plan on behalf of junior members, ideally before they happen. Forming a cohesive, cooperative, and supportive team is the ideal solution to prevent failure. Not everything has to be done by means of punishment (excepting direct and obstinate insubordination). Much can be done by training your folks to work with each other and address issues amongst themselves, mostly by providing motivation. The concept of combat readiness and its benefit to individual survival should be leveraged as a key motivation to prevent readiness issues. A soldier should always have the expectation of having to deploy at any given moment. A soldier should be aware that if she or he is not ready, nor is their weapon system as they are an inextricable part of the same. They need to know they are failing themselves and everyone on their team if they are failing to be ready. Finding an unserviceable weapon system during combat is unacceptable. Inspections are periodical, and most of the time for the purpose of inventory. Finding out your soldier (and weapon system) is unserviceable at that time is as unacceptable as such a "reveal" when the bullets are flying. Managing your team and its combat readiness is a daily duty. At minimum, your team leaders should have assured pre-inspection readiness. Ideally however, the now ever-more present condition of "everyone for themselves" and everyone staying in their private, mostly social media or gaming-induced bubble, is addressed and replaced by the common goal of staying alive when the sh.t hits the fan. If they can't even manage to have each other's backs at inspection time, what is going to happen when it gets real?
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You are right, it is that soldier's responsibility and she is 100% at fault for her decision and for failing the standard. This isn't however something that should be coming up at go-time. There is nothing wrong with taking the time to pre-inspect troops at a reasonable time before any announced inspection, maybe some 10 days before an inspection one month out.
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SFC Robert Walton
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Okay i am going to say it, If you have Soldier that has gained that much weight and your just finding out i see you as the bigger problem and then wanting to punish the individual before you even know the details?
Time for you to do some self evaluation and get back to being a leader.
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SSgt Glenn Martin
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Doesn't she get a clothing allowance? YES! Escort her to clothing sales and make
her buy uniforms that fit. If she is Overweight put her on the "Large Sarge Program"
then Write Her Up!
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SSgt Glenn Martin
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Doesn't she get a clothing allowance? YES! Escort her to clothing sales and make
her buy uniforms that fit. If she is Overweight put her on the "Large Sarge Program"
then write her up.
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LTJG Edward Bangor Jr
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Just to play devil's advocate, we would do hangar inspections on the ship now and then. Was your Soldier coming from a command where this was the norm and thus only expected to need her uniform on a hangar? It could be a case of institutionalized habits that need to change at a new duty station, but take time to work themselves out.

Also, nobody but the CO can punish anyone. NJP is reserved for Commanding Officers. Anything more formal requires court martial authority. Even EMI might require an Officer's (i.e. platoon commander's) sign off. Crossing that line is an excellent way to get yourself jammed up.
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GySgt Stephen Hogarth
GySgt Stephen Hogarth
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"It is her responsibility alone to ask for help."

I am dumbfounded. How about it is her leaderships' responsibility to SUPERVISE. So many opportunities during the month to ensure that this soldier was on track. So many opportunities to prevent it from coming to "BUUUUURRRRRRNNNNN HERRRRRR."

I am not saying the young soldier is without fault, but there is definitely a breakdown when leadership's first instinct is to tear down and punish rather than mentor and build up.
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LTJG Edward Bangor Jr
LTJG Edward Bangor Jr
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GySgt Stephen Hogarth I know either my Chief or I would specify the plan for a uniform inspection at Quarters a few times before the day of. If there was ambiguity, that definitely falls on leadership.
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MSG Logistics Nco
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I completely agree with the comment about talking to the Soldier and finding out if there is a personal issue causing problems. Also, rather than recommending punishment for the Soldier ask yourself if you asked each Soldier directly if they have any problems with the upcoming inspection, and not in a formation, but individually.
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GySgt Stephen Hogarth
GySgt Stephen Hogarth
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"What she did was a court martial offense."
LOL. No, it wasn't.

People like you are why good soldiers get out.
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SFC Zohn Tennyson
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Ahhhh; the difference between combat arms and the rest. Showing up like that is a failure to follow orders properly and if she/he/it can’t fit in the uniform, then they’re probably overweight. I’d follow basic protocol. Counseling statement with timeline for improvement and “corrective action” for failure to follow orders.
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SFC Zohn Tennyson
SFC Zohn Tennyson
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Lol. I agree. Was trying to be nice.1SG John Millan
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SFC Jerald Bottcher
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I ran into this from time to time while I was an NCO.
You waited until the day of inspection to make she she had her uniform right? What in the heck are YOU doin?

If she deliberately did as you say. You should be writing her up a formal counseling statement and recommend NJP . right now!.

If not deliberate You should still be writing her up a formal counseling statement

Regardless, You then direct her to get her uniform to the tailor to have it adjusted so it fits. If it cannot be adjusted she has to go out and purchase the uniform items that no longer fit. That is what the clothing allowance is for.

She also needs corrective training, Keep in mind the training should be targeted to correcting what she did wrong. If she honestly never checked to make sure her uniform fit before inspection, then you gear the corrective training to that end. (attention to detail, keeping up to date on tasks and duties, reading the training calendar and so on)

If she checked her uniform and did not make any effort to correct it, or tried to hide issue then there is a problem with the soldier that at a minimum of a summarized article 15 (extra duty but no fine or loss of rank, goes away when you go to another unit, doesn't go on the permanent record unless you get another article 15, can straighten out a soldier before they go bad)
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SFC Jerald Bottcher
SFC Jerald Bottcher
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Well that may be the way it is now, But during my time, all written counseling statements had to be turned in to the 1SG and or Commander (both good or bad ones) Keep in mind I said if she did this deliberately, recommend NJP. You as an NCO cannot bring charges under UCMJ you can only recommend them.
I however stand by my statement, what were you as the NCO doing before the inspection. Are you even paying attention to your people, are you checking them out to help insure success for them and you? If you are not keeping yourself up to date on your soldiers, they are running you instead of you running them!
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