Posted on May 21, 2020
What regulations exist addressing barracks room inspections? How can I determine if I have a legitimate complaint?
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So I'm not doing this to gripe or complain as much as I want to. This is for my knowledge so I can defend myself and others alike. I'm currently staying and the barracks of unit "B" because I did a lateral transfer to new unit "A". Currently working night shift and have been up since 1200 the day prior. Went to work at 1600 and got off work at 0430. (I still don't receive separate rations so I had no meal or mre during the majority of that time). I finally make it home in bed to sleep at 0500 to get woken up at 0630 by an NCO from unit B telling me everyone needs to go outside. Me absolutely tired as hell puts on some civilian clothing and goes outside to find out the MPS will be searching the building with dogs because they suspect drugs. A buddy of mine got called in not for drugs but for a training round from the 30 mm gun which is inert and not even able to fire but that's beside the point it was under a drawer in the very back underneath several items. They're gone through his room and searched thoroughly with only the first sergeant and a sergeant first class present. I don't know what his punishment will be but that's not my concern. My concern is that I was never even notified of this even happening, they have now ruined my sleep schedule and took them roughly 3 hours to finish. And I have no idea what my room is going to look like when I get back such as my $1,800 headset being thrown against the wall or my PC tipped over because they want to see what's behind it or my medical records that are in a safe that they shouldn't be going through. anything in the world they want to go through ruin who's to say that they're responsible when I don't even know who's going in through my room and I come to find out stuff is broken stuff is out of place stuff is stolen and let's see if they did want to charge me for something with no MP present and no drug dogs present that alerted the room saying I have something bad. And meanwhile this whole time I'm absolutely tired and have working here in a couple hours again to do probably another 12 hour shift. Like I said I'm not trying to complain on here I just want to know what grounds do I have to stand on if something like this occurred. And my current chain of command never knew anything about this or if they did they didn't tell me about it?
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I spent 6 long years in the barracks as a SPC/CPL. Health & Welfares are a fact of life. They can occur whenever the commander deems necessary. Nobody is ever going to tell you and considerations about your sleep schedule and personal privacy won’t be causes for it to not occur. It’s the Army, and the Army is a dictatorship (with a few notable exceptions) and not a democracy. Life is the barracks absolutely blows in many aspects but these inspections are necessary because barracks soldiers are generally younger and less mature.
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H & W Inspections ONLY allow the inspector to enter the common area of the room and look around. No personal items are to be touched or moved, no doors or drawers opened. Anything more is a "search" and must have probable cause and/or a warrant. Regs are your friends.
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as long as you notated them items on the high value sheet, you should be fine.
As far as the schedule, that absolutely sucks. Maybe your chain of command will give you an extra recovery day? Or at least a late work call?
As far as the schedule, that absolutely sucks. Maybe your chain of command will give you an extra recovery day? Or at least a late work call?
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You weren’t notified for a reason. If the MPs are doing a sweep for illegal or prohibited items they won’t provide advanced notification and that is their intent.
I don’t know if the damage was hypothetical or actual but if anyone to include the MPs damage your personal property then use the chain of command to get that sorted out.
I don’t know if the damage was hypothetical or actual but if anyone to include the MPs damage your personal property then use the chain of command to get that sorted out.
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If you are in another Unit’s barracks room, they are in charge of that room. Read your barracks SOP. Reference your unit Commander’s and the garrison Commander’s barracks policies. Also reference the G9 1SG barracks program handbook 2020.
Communicate your concerns of your personal belongings and sleep schedule up through your NCO support chain. Depending on what you mean by “unit a” and “unit b” this is either a 1SG to 1SG conversation or a CSM to CSM conversation.
Communicate your concerns of your personal belongings and sleep schedule up through your NCO support chain. Depending on what you mean by “unit a” and “unit b” this is either a 1SG to 1SG conversation or a CSM to CSM conversation.
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Thank for the help regarding that issue. And I'll be sure to read through that as soon as I can!
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So he's not complaining by complaining? Someone needs to understand that while in the service, you are on 24/7 365. Your time is not your own, and if the local authority needs to do an inspection, in the barracks they provide for you, deal with it. Last I heard the enemy doesn't go on your clock, CONUS or OUTUS you deal with the adversities. Try having General Quarter drills lasting 2 plus hours 3 or 4 nights in a row. If you can't handle disruption in your schedule, find an hourly job that might not be there for you. Only thing I can think to add is "want a little cheese with your whine".
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Will for one you should not have any government property in your possession unless you where issued it. If it is a government surplus item, then be sure you have a receipt for it. If you are search then can only look in the general area. But to look in private and personal areas must have a search warrant presented by the MP's and conducted by the MP's..
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Have you ever watched that Pawn Stars show? When they say "I don't know Rick, it all seems fake to me" well, you're a PFC and you have a $1,800.00 headphones... Then complained about a Health and Welfare, and you're not supposed to know about it, then you're bitching about the 3 hour process, wait till you get to go on mission for 18 straight hours guarding your buddy's back, then haul ass back to the compound, then catch some zzzz and get back up cuz you're taking effective enemy fire, you're crying for something didn't even happen, you're bitching about your medical record, why is it not at the Base Clinic, you know that it doesn't belongs to you right? It belongs to the government, and any damage or tampering is a HIPAA violation... These PFCs always come up with something laughable...
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First...
as the basis for my opinion/input...
Myself...a former USAF Sergeant and Vietnam Veteran, 12-/1964-10/1967 stateside...S.E. Asia 10/1967-10/1968, then my DD-214.
Overseas, they held "contraband inspections' at ANY time, (but yes, MOSTLY at un-Godly hours for a REASON...maybe 0200 hours local time, as an example.
Our immediate CO, First Sergeant, and AP's with dogs (USAF) blocking BOTH ends of our hootch.
Our 1st Sgt. yelled "lights ON!...gentlemen!...STAY where you ARE!...lockers OPEN!"
NOTHING else is said...the AP's walk the dogs around our hootch sniffing for 'stuff'.
FOUND...
Some 'stuff' ('hardware'...no details here) found in the guy's locker on the other side of the aisle. They then questioned all of us on who he was, duty section, since we were in the same hootch, etc...I never saw him again, and I didn't ask.
They also looked in and hand-moved stuff in ALL our lockers...vertical areas (hanging clothing), the bottom drawers in our lockers, under bunks, the ceiling 'plank area' where we stored our duffel bags for going home, etc.
They handled our mail (DIDN'T read), and general search, so we HAD to be there for personal items search.
Bottom line, in MY opinion...it's THEIR (Uncle Sam's) place, not YOURS...you're just a resident.
AND...you never KNOW...WHO is going to have WHAT, or WHERE...just saying.
Again...MY opinion (I can HAVE one now...LOL)...
as the basis for my opinion/input...
Myself...a former USAF Sergeant and Vietnam Veteran, 12-/1964-10/1967 stateside...S.E. Asia 10/1967-10/1968, then my DD-214.
Overseas, they held "contraband inspections' at ANY time, (but yes, MOSTLY at un-Godly hours for a REASON...maybe 0200 hours local time, as an example.
Our immediate CO, First Sergeant, and AP's with dogs (USAF) blocking BOTH ends of our hootch.
Our 1st Sgt. yelled "lights ON!...gentlemen!...STAY where you ARE!...lockers OPEN!"
NOTHING else is said...the AP's walk the dogs around our hootch sniffing for 'stuff'.
FOUND...
Some 'stuff' ('hardware'...no details here) found in the guy's locker on the other side of the aisle. They then questioned all of us on who he was, duty section, since we were in the same hootch, etc...I never saw him again, and I didn't ask.
They also looked in and hand-moved stuff in ALL our lockers...vertical areas (hanging clothing), the bottom drawers in our lockers, under bunks, the ceiling 'plank area' where we stored our duffel bags for going home, etc.
They handled our mail (DIDN'T read), and general search, so we HAD to be there for personal items search.
Bottom line, in MY opinion...it's THEIR (Uncle Sam's) place, not YOURS...you're just a resident.
AND...you never KNOW...WHO is going to have WHAT, or WHERE...just saying.
Again...MY opinion (I can HAVE one now...LOL)...
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Zac... National Guard ... or ANY branch of the Military...
--> Oath of Enlisted U.S. Military:
"I, _____, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
SOLDIER'S CREED (MOTTO)
"I am disciplined, physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my Warrior tasks and drills. I always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself. I am an expert and I am a professional. I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy the enemies of the United States of America in close combat."
G.I. : Government Issue. YOU signed up... YOU agreed to obey the orders of your Superiors...
YOU are a piece of MILITARY EQUIPMENT ... until you are no longer Government Issue.
You WILL be in a Serviceable Condition... 24/7/365.
YOU ARE Subject to Inspection to check for serviceability any time your chain of command so orders.
YOU ... GAVE UP... MOST OF YOUR RIGHTS... WHEN YOU JOINED.
Yes... your command has UNLIMITED WARRANT... privacy is a luxury in the Military.
NO... you do NOT have FULL Freedom of Speech.
Yes, you may keep and bear Arms.. BUT... ONLY when your Command determines a need for Arms.
You WILL go where you are told to go... do what you are told to do... because that IS THE JOB YOU ENLISTED TO DO.
You ARE complaining... nay... WHINING like a millennial...
You are whining because what you signed up for... is not a full paid vacation where you can do as you wish, when you wish, to whom you wish...
Meanwhile... your trusted Public Servants are giving up your Nation to China... to Russia... to Japan... to Britain... to all the enemies of the United States of America... while Congress is demanding that Invaders are immigrants... while the Supreme Court just made importing baby, women, and male slaves from south of our border... is now legal... because they are NOT U.S. Citizens.
Remember the Impeachment and Trial of Donald Trump?
What did the Prosecution SCREAM over and over and over ad nauseum?
"CHINA... IS ... THE ENEMY! ... RUSSIA ... IS ... THE ENEMY! ... NO ONE ... IS ABOVE... THE LAW!!!"
--> While they Legislate our Manufacturing, AND FOOD PROCESSING, to China... THE ENEMY?
--> While YOU might find yourself in the Middle East... fighting, and maybe dying... TO PROTECT THE ENEMY WHO ATTACKED U.S. ON 9/11/2001 >(
YEAH... That's correct... 19 Saudi Arabian National Citizens... funded and trained with Saudi King funds, in Syria... the Terrorist Training Grounds of the world... are the attackers of 9/11... and they... ARE NOT OUR FRIENDS...
AND YOU WILL DIE TO PROTECT THEM... FROM THEIR ENEMIES...
--> BY PELOSI/BIDEN LAW... aka NATIONAL SOCIALIST FASCIST LAW...
CONSTITUTION BE DAMNED >(
(google: what is the origin of the word Nazi)
Your rights were violated???
They took away the 4th, 5th, 6th, 9th Amendment Legal Rights, and Article Four, Section 2... from the President of the United States of America... AND anyone who would DARE to testify in Trump's Defense.
Precedent: (dictionary definition) "in law, a judgment or decision of a court that is cited in a subsequent dispute as an example or analogy to justify deciding a similar case or point of law in the same manner."
IF THEY CAN TAKE RIGHTS FROM THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF THIS GOVERNMENT... THEY CAN TAKE YOUR RIGHTS... AND WILL... WITH NO CONCERN FOR YOUR WHINING... THE PRECEDENT HAS BEEN SET...
IF you insist on whining... WHINE ABOUT SOMETHING WORTH WHINING ABOUT...
THE LIVES OF U.S. CITIZENS ARE NOW FORFEIT...
IN FAVOR OF ALL OUR ENEMIES...
AS WE THE PEOPLE ARE KICKED OUT OF OUR JOBS... AND THEN OUR HOMES... AND THEN OUR CITIES... AND NOW BEING LOADED ONTO CRUISE SHIPS... (DESTINATION: FREE TOUR OF DACHAU) >(
IN FAVOR OF ALL OUR ENEMIES.
--> READ THE CONSTITUTION...
PULL YOUR WHINY HEAD OUT OF YOUR EXCREMENT HOLE AND READ THE LAW YOU SWORE TO PROTECT AND DEFEND...
SEE THAT OUR PUBLIC SERVANTS ARE NOW TELLING... WE THEIR MASTERS...
--> TO BOW TO THEM... AS THEY COMMIT THE HIGHEST TREASONS POSSIBLE...
ARTICLE THREE... SECTION 3: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."
--> Their Public Servant demands... legislation... THE WORLD IS WITNESS...
--> Their Signatures on their Treasonous Legislation: THEIR CONFESSIONS OF HIGH TREASON AGAINST WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA... IN THE OPEN COURT OF THE WORLD!!!
And the law says: U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 115 › § 2381 TREASON: "Whoever, OWING ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES, levies war against them OR ADHERES TO THEIR ENEMIES, giving them AID AND COMFORT WITHIN THE UNITED STATES OR ELSEWHERE, IS GUILTY OF TREASON AND SHALL SUFFER DEATH, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.")
(NOTE: --> "While seditious conspiracy is generally defined as conduct or language inciting rebellion against the authority of a state, treason is the more-serious offense of actively levying war against the United States or giving aid to its enemies."
What did they scream?
--> "CHINA... IS ... THE ENEMY! ... NO ONE ... IS ABOVE... THE LAW!!!"
Except them???
FACT: China IS the enemy? But... we have friendly relations... with them, Russia, Japan, Britain, and all our enemies... so they are our friends... right?
NO... THEY ARE STILL OUR ENEMIES... AS IS EVERY COUNTRY ON THIS PLANET WHO BOWS TO CROWNS, AND DICTATORS... Friendly Relations means WE WON'T SHOOT AT THEM IF THEY DON'T SHOOT AT U.S. ... BUT WE ARE NOT FRIENDS >(
--> THEY ARE STILL OUR ENEMIES... AND WILL REMAIN OUR ENEMIES UNTIL THEY GIVE UP OPPRESSION OF THEIR CITIZENS!!!
--> AND STOP THREATENING U.S. >(
Our Public TRAITORS should be in prison... awaiting sentence... hanging by the neck until dead, or, stripped of their citizenship, banned from the U.S. for life, on pain of death by hanging from the neck until dead... for their high treasons...
--> NOT RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION!!!
Whining about what you asked for? STUPID.
Allowing things that are soooooo much worse to get worse, AND TO VOTE FOR MORE OF THE SAME???
Get over yourself... we have much bigger problems THAT EVERY PERSON WHO CALLS THEMSELVES A U.S. CITIZEN BETTER START PAYING ATTENTION TO...
--> RIGHT NOW... BEFORE THE ELECTION!!!
READ THE CONSTITUTION... SEE THE POWERS OF THE PRESIDENT...
SEE WHAT OUR PUBLIC SERVANTS ARE COMMANDED TO DO FOR U.S.
--> AND WHAT THEY ARE COMMANDED TO NEVER EVER DO TO U.S. >(
THEY'RE DOING IT BACKWARDS... AND YOU ARE TOO IGNORANT OF THAT LAW TO UNDERSTAND THEY ARE HAVING SEX WITH U.S. ... AND IT'S CALLED RAPE >(
--> Oath of Enlisted U.S. Military:
"I, _____, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
SOLDIER'S CREED (MOTTO)
"I am disciplined, physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my Warrior tasks and drills. I always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself. I am an expert and I am a professional. I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy the enemies of the United States of America in close combat."
G.I. : Government Issue. YOU signed up... YOU agreed to obey the orders of your Superiors...
YOU are a piece of MILITARY EQUIPMENT ... until you are no longer Government Issue.
You WILL be in a Serviceable Condition... 24/7/365.
YOU ARE Subject to Inspection to check for serviceability any time your chain of command so orders.
YOU ... GAVE UP... MOST OF YOUR RIGHTS... WHEN YOU JOINED.
Yes... your command has UNLIMITED WARRANT... privacy is a luxury in the Military.
NO... you do NOT have FULL Freedom of Speech.
Yes, you may keep and bear Arms.. BUT... ONLY when your Command determines a need for Arms.
You WILL go where you are told to go... do what you are told to do... because that IS THE JOB YOU ENLISTED TO DO.
You ARE complaining... nay... WHINING like a millennial...
You are whining because what you signed up for... is not a full paid vacation where you can do as you wish, when you wish, to whom you wish...
Meanwhile... your trusted Public Servants are giving up your Nation to China... to Russia... to Japan... to Britain... to all the enemies of the United States of America... while Congress is demanding that Invaders are immigrants... while the Supreme Court just made importing baby, women, and male slaves from south of our border... is now legal... because they are NOT U.S. Citizens.
Remember the Impeachment and Trial of Donald Trump?
What did the Prosecution SCREAM over and over and over ad nauseum?
"CHINA... IS ... THE ENEMY! ... RUSSIA ... IS ... THE ENEMY! ... NO ONE ... IS ABOVE... THE LAW!!!"
--> While they Legislate our Manufacturing, AND FOOD PROCESSING, to China... THE ENEMY?
--> While YOU might find yourself in the Middle East... fighting, and maybe dying... TO PROTECT THE ENEMY WHO ATTACKED U.S. ON 9/11/2001 >(
YEAH... That's correct... 19 Saudi Arabian National Citizens... funded and trained with Saudi King funds, in Syria... the Terrorist Training Grounds of the world... are the attackers of 9/11... and they... ARE NOT OUR FRIENDS...
AND YOU WILL DIE TO PROTECT THEM... FROM THEIR ENEMIES...
--> BY PELOSI/BIDEN LAW... aka NATIONAL SOCIALIST FASCIST LAW...
CONSTITUTION BE DAMNED >(
(google: what is the origin of the word Nazi)
Your rights were violated???
They took away the 4th, 5th, 6th, 9th Amendment Legal Rights, and Article Four, Section 2... from the President of the United States of America... AND anyone who would DARE to testify in Trump's Defense.
Precedent: (dictionary definition) "in law, a judgment or decision of a court that is cited in a subsequent dispute as an example or analogy to justify deciding a similar case or point of law in the same manner."
IF THEY CAN TAKE RIGHTS FROM THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF THIS GOVERNMENT... THEY CAN TAKE YOUR RIGHTS... AND WILL... WITH NO CONCERN FOR YOUR WHINING... THE PRECEDENT HAS BEEN SET...
IF you insist on whining... WHINE ABOUT SOMETHING WORTH WHINING ABOUT...
THE LIVES OF U.S. CITIZENS ARE NOW FORFEIT...
IN FAVOR OF ALL OUR ENEMIES...
AS WE THE PEOPLE ARE KICKED OUT OF OUR JOBS... AND THEN OUR HOMES... AND THEN OUR CITIES... AND NOW BEING LOADED ONTO CRUISE SHIPS... (DESTINATION: FREE TOUR OF DACHAU) >(
IN FAVOR OF ALL OUR ENEMIES.
--> READ THE CONSTITUTION...
PULL YOUR WHINY HEAD OUT OF YOUR EXCREMENT HOLE AND READ THE LAW YOU SWORE TO PROTECT AND DEFEND...
SEE THAT OUR PUBLIC SERVANTS ARE NOW TELLING... WE THEIR MASTERS...
--> TO BOW TO THEM... AS THEY COMMIT THE HIGHEST TREASONS POSSIBLE...
ARTICLE THREE... SECTION 3: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."
--> Their Public Servant demands... legislation... THE WORLD IS WITNESS...
--> Their Signatures on their Treasonous Legislation: THEIR CONFESSIONS OF HIGH TREASON AGAINST WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA... IN THE OPEN COURT OF THE WORLD!!!
And the law says: U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 115 › § 2381 TREASON: "Whoever, OWING ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES, levies war against them OR ADHERES TO THEIR ENEMIES, giving them AID AND COMFORT WITHIN THE UNITED STATES OR ELSEWHERE, IS GUILTY OF TREASON AND SHALL SUFFER DEATH, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.")
(NOTE: --> "While seditious conspiracy is generally defined as conduct or language inciting rebellion against the authority of a state, treason is the more-serious offense of actively levying war against the United States or giving aid to its enemies."
What did they scream?
--> "CHINA... IS ... THE ENEMY! ... NO ONE ... IS ABOVE... THE LAW!!!"
Except them???
FACT: China IS the enemy? But... we have friendly relations... with them, Russia, Japan, Britain, and all our enemies... so they are our friends... right?
NO... THEY ARE STILL OUR ENEMIES... AS IS EVERY COUNTRY ON THIS PLANET WHO BOWS TO CROWNS, AND DICTATORS... Friendly Relations means WE WON'T SHOOT AT THEM IF THEY DON'T SHOOT AT U.S. ... BUT WE ARE NOT FRIENDS >(
--> THEY ARE STILL OUR ENEMIES... AND WILL REMAIN OUR ENEMIES UNTIL THEY GIVE UP OPPRESSION OF THEIR CITIZENS!!!
--> AND STOP THREATENING U.S. >(
Our Public TRAITORS should be in prison... awaiting sentence... hanging by the neck until dead, or, stripped of their citizenship, banned from the U.S. for life, on pain of death by hanging from the neck until dead... for their high treasons...
--> NOT RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION!!!
Whining about what you asked for? STUPID.
Allowing things that are soooooo much worse to get worse, AND TO VOTE FOR MORE OF THE SAME???
Get over yourself... we have much bigger problems THAT EVERY PERSON WHO CALLS THEMSELVES A U.S. CITIZEN BETTER START PAYING ATTENTION TO...
--> RIGHT NOW... BEFORE THE ELECTION!!!
READ THE CONSTITUTION... SEE THE POWERS OF THE PRESIDENT...
SEE WHAT OUR PUBLIC SERVANTS ARE COMMANDED TO DO FOR U.S.
--> AND WHAT THEY ARE COMMANDED TO NEVER EVER DO TO U.S. >(
THEY'RE DOING IT BACKWARDS... AND YOU ARE TOO IGNORANT OF THAT LAW TO UNDERSTAND THEY ARE HAVING SEX WITH U.S. ... AND IT'S CALLED RAPE >(
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