Posted on Apr 30, 2015
Maj Joseph Osborne
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What's the consensus on dependents using rank based reserved parking at exchanges/commissaries? I believe these spots are supposed to be used by the member to rapidly get in/out of a store and get back to work, not as a RHIP reward. To me, it smacks of dependents "wearing" their sponsor's rank.
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Lt Col Acute Care Nurse Practitioner
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I agree, rank does not carry over to the spouse! Do we see husbands of pregnant wives parking in spaces designated only for pregnant women? I doubt it.
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TSgt David Whitmore
TSgt David Whitmore
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CW5 Randall Hirsch - My wife disagrees with you, sir. Unless your spouse is also allowed to park there also.
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PO2 Tj Taylor
PO2 Tj Taylor
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CW5 Randall Hirsch - Though you may be a fine officer, the parking spot is for the title not the man who holds it. Take the pin from your collar and you will be parking in the cheap seats with the rest of us.
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SMSgt Tom Harmon
SMSgt Tom Harmon
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Yes it’s ridiculous and should not be allowed! Same as Handicap Parking I have a HD license plate but tell my wife if I’m not with you you have to park in a non handicap spot. Same thing for Senior Enlisted andSenior Officers parking.
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LTC Robin Gronovius
LTC Robin Gronovius
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No, you earned your rank by meeting certain performance, educational, and skill qualifications. By the time you attained the rank of CW5, there were others of your peers that may have not made it. Now you think she out ranks them? Walk up to all those CW4s and now tell them your wife outranks them; after all she earned the rank according to you.
If she worked and supported you while you went to college, does she get a degree with you? If you go to medical school, does she become a doctor when you do? Nope, you are wrong.
What if the spouse was also a service member? Perhaps she got a commission and is now a colonel. Does that give you the right to park in a spot reserved for O6?
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
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Maj Joseph Osborne

That has always been one of my pet peeves and I have had the opportunity, on more than one occasion, to "correct" a family member for using a reserved space. It was never well received, but that goes with the territory.

I used to always avoid parking in reserved spaces at the PX, etc., until one day, when in Germany, a group of officers from my office went to the PX Food Court to grab lunch. As I entered the PX parking lot, I bypassed the COL/0-6 reserved parking space and parked in an unmarked space. A Captain in the group asked why I had not parked in the reserved space and I responded that I did not agree with "special privileges" based on rank. He responded with the comment, "But sir, typically there are not enough parking spaces in the lot for everyone and I cannot park in that slot. By you not parking in the reserved slot, you are taking away a slot from me that I could park in, while leaving one you can park in, but I can't, vacant." That made perfect sense and I had never considered it that way before. Thereafter, I parked in the reserved slot. To my knowledge, my wife never did, but I can't swear that she has not.

In my opinion, the only reserved spaces should be for handicapped personnel and pregnant women.

You really want to get my rankles up? People without handicaps parking in handicapped spots, especially those with handicapped stickers on their vehicles belonging to another family member. (Yes, I know that some handicaps are not apparent by just looking at someone).
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CW4 Leonard White
CW4 Leonard White
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COL Jean (John) F. B. I have a question. Based in your answer about reserved parking spots based on rank, how can individuals who are “retired” be impacted by a DD1408 Armed Forces Traffic Ticket? I am one of those individuals who have said that “legally,” those reserved slots can’t be enforced.
Now, I have never parked in one and don’t plan on ever parking in one but I have told me wife that if she ever “had to” to park in the slot (she won’t but I don’t want her worrying if it was ever necessary that she would be in legal jeopardy).
By the way, I always thought it was good if a COL or above or a CSM had a slot reserved at the PX for the convenience of running in and grabbing something but at the commissary, no.
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
COL Jean (John) F. B.
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CW4 Leonard White - I am retired now, and have been for sone time, so my response may or may not be valid today, although I think it probably is.

When a 1408 (Armed Forces Traffic Ticket) is issued without the violator bring present, such as being placed on a parked car, the license tag is on the ticket, which allows the registered owner to be identified. Records are maintained and, if it becomes apparent that multiple violations come from the same vehicle, and it is determined that the registered owner is not an active duty service member, what typically happened, in my experience, was that a warning letter was sent to the owner advising him/her that any future violations could result in the issuance of a "bar letter", which bars the person from the installation. Violation of a bar letter would subject the person to being charged and referred to the Federal Magistrate Court or Federal District Court fir prosecution.

If it is known that the violator is not an active duty service member at the time the violation notice is issued, the violator would be issued an 1805 (Magustrate Court citation), instead if a 1408, which assesses a fine and refers it to a Federsl Magustrate Court if the fine is not paid within a prescribed timeframe.

As far as parking spots not legally being enforced, that actually depends on the type slot. If it is a handicapped slot or someone is parkin in a no parking zone, fire lane, etc., it most certainly be enforced and fines levied by the Magistrate Court. If it is a parking slot reserved based on "status" (rank, position, etc.), it can be enforced on military members through their chain of command (violation of post regulations) and, if the Federal Magistrate allows it, on civilians for parking in "restricted areas", much as getting a ticket in a civilian community. However, as previously stated, civilians (retirees, etc.) who "illegally" park in reserved "status" slots are typically handled through administrative measures, such as bar letters, rather than in the courts.

Bottom line is that a violator will eventually be dealt with.
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CW4 Leonard White
CW4 Leonard White
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Thank you for the information. I certainly understand that handicapped slots, fire lane, etc are full enforced by federal/and state law, it’s not question that it should be.
I also understand that if an individual continually violates the “rules” of a military base, of course, the post commander can “bar” them. My point is it’s not a legal matter, as in a violation of federal/state law. Thank you, Colonel, for taking the time to remind me, and everyone, that the military has ways to deal with anyone who comes on the bases. it’s been a few years since I’ve been retired so I’ve have forgotten some things. At least now I can answer this question if my retired friends bring it up.
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
COL Jean (John) F. B.
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CW4 Leonard White - You are welcome... You are correct that parking in reserved "status" doors are not violations of federal or state laws, however, they are violations of post regulations and, as such, subject violators to administrative actions/sanctions, such as temporary or permanent bars from the installation. Violation of the bar letter, however, is a federal crime (trespassing on federal property) and will be prosecuted in Federal District Court. People entering a military reservation are required to follow all laws and regulations, to include those related to parking. Retirees or anybody else who think they are do not have to follow the rules of the installation are flirting with trouble. I have dealt with several situations like this and violators always lose. They do not have the luxury or right to pick and choose which post rules/regulations they will follow and which they will not with impunity. Several of the retirees I have dealt with concerning this issue would have been the ones complaining the loudest when on active duty, if someone had parked in "their" slots. :-)
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My personnel opinion. "rank" based parking spaces (as opposed to position) should only be used by the member holding that rank and only in uniform. You are a retired Col? Awesome, and I salute you! Leave the space to the Full Birds still in uniform getting the job done so they can get back to work. Wing Commander/NAF Commander/MAJCOM Commander park in your placarded spot anytime.
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PO2 Lorene Goodrow Devick
PO2 Lorene Goodrow Devick
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My pet peeve is the fact personnel assume you got hired due to your spouse & their rank. And talk about how “the military” is not like the civilian world. Then they look at your wall and have a look of “oh shit, I’m bad mouthing a female veteran”
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CMSgt Socom J2/Tsoc Reserve Program Manager
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Jo Ostendorf -
Had a similar story when I was married to a British Army Officer. I attended Officers' Wives functions (very rarely). When I had a 2LT's wife give me wild attitude about "her rank", I said politely, "You have no rank. Your husband has rank, my husband has rank. *I* have rank. You are "Mrs"." (Sorry, all. She was incredibly beyotchy.) :)
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1LT Rich Voss
1LT Rich Voss
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Jo Ostendorf - That brings back a lovely memory. The Officer's Wives Club was fully functional when I served in Germany. Their guest of honor at one luncheon was a female Israeli Army Major. Combat vet from the, let's call it "The Seven Days War", and it hadn't been over for all that long. The wife in charge of the event, let's say she was a CPTs wife, announced that "an award and gift was to be given to the senior officer present". My, oh my, was there a minor "tissy fit" when the prizes went to that Major. Thankfully, cooler heads of the OTHER COLs wives prevailed. I'm certain that the other servers and myself were just expected to "pretend that never happened". We did !
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Maj Pete Siegel
Maj Pete Siegel
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SGT Keri Domko - Now that's irritating but funny. My spouse knows my SSAN, but has troubles remembering hers
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