Posted on Jul 9, 2014
What's the longest you've ever waited for an evaluation to get to you?
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So, a non-idle question....
What is the longest it has taken for YOUR evaluation to reach you?
This seems in my experience to be a chronic problem in the Reserve components. Please select an option or if you have one of the epic > 1 year ones, would love to hear it.
What is the longest it has taken for YOUR evaluation to reach you?
This seems in my experience to be a chronic problem in the Reserve components. Please select an option or if you have one of the epic > 1 year ones, would love to hear it.
Evaluations
OER
NCOER
Posted >1 y ago
Responses: 27
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I wish the Navy would ditch the current NAVFIT system and go to an On Line System like everyone else has
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SCPO (Join to see)
Ah Message received Sir. The Navy system is archaic, I have seen the Marine Corps on line FITREP system for Officers and it is so much easier.
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
Marine NCOERs are crazy, as a board member trying to work thru that joker for Army Warrant Officer assession, the Marine one always takes me a long time to digest! Good thing they ALWAYS have a squared away photo.
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< 90 days HAD been my longest, though I am about 7 days from reaching the next category.
In my last unit, I inherited people that were missing 2-3 evaluations that were from 1 week to 5 years overdue. By the time I left, they were all caught up, but I really had to beat up previous units (and my unit to an extent) as well as escalate to O6+ level several times.
Is it really that hard?
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In my last unit, I inherited people that were missing 2-3 evaluations that were from 1 week to 5 years overdue. By the time I left, they were all caught up, but I really had to beat up previous units (and my unit to an extent) as well as escalate to O6+ level several times.
Is it really that hard?
/rant
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SSG (Join to see)
Yes it is that hard, rapidly and overly promoted individuals do not possess long term skills in basic Soldiering let alone writing skills and abilities to complete tasks on time. Proactiveness and always in-your-face human to human contact can avoid these situations another good back up is the global email. I global email everything as a defense when someone states I never got that or you never sent it... with mandatory recognition of the emails content.
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COL Vincent Stoneking - I have found several effective methods to deal with this, one of which wasn't my idea, one of which was.
Presently, our unit has a policy that you are not allowed to RST, have excused absences, or sign out from Battle Assembly on Sunday unless your evals are current and you are medical ready (basically if you have an outstanding medical issue that isn't addressed. If you have a plan in place, that's a different story). This forces people to deal with it proactively or realize that they will be working on it after battle assembly on Sunday with the inconvenience being placed on the rating chain.
For the manner that I handled our evals is basically the use of "hard times" to an extreme. When I called an outside unit, I would ask for a timeframe to fix it. They can't give me "3 months", so then I'd get like "2 weeks". I'd call back the day after every hard time ended, and basically make the timeline shorter until I was calling every day or twice a day to heckle them. Eventually they get pissed off with hearing me and do what I want them to do anyways. LOL. Annoying people to do their job is very effective, and you quickly earn a reputation for it. If you aren't doing your job, they hate you. For the Soldiers affected, they'll love you forever.
v/r,
CPT Butler
Presently, our unit has a policy that you are not allowed to RST, have excused absences, or sign out from Battle Assembly on Sunday unless your evals are current and you are medical ready (basically if you have an outstanding medical issue that isn't addressed. If you have a plan in place, that's a different story). This forces people to deal with it proactively or realize that they will be working on it after battle assembly on Sunday with the inconvenience being placed on the rating chain.
For the manner that I handled our evals is basically the use of "hard times" to an extreme. When I called an outside unit, I would ask for a timeframe to fix it. They can't give me "3 months", so then I'd get like "2 weeks". I'd call back the day after every hard time ended, and basically make the timeline shorter until I was calling every day or twice a day to heckle them. Eventually they get pissed off with hearing me and do what I want them to do anyways. LOL. Annoying people to do their job is very effective, and you quickly earn a reputation for it. If you aren't doing your job, they hate you. For the Soldiers affected, they'll love you forever.
v/r,
CPT Butler
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Capt Jeff S.
COL Vincent Stoneking, It's hard to believe someone could be so inept as to not turn in a fitrep for several years. A reporting senior should be flagged for immediate discharge if they have a fitrep on someone that is late more than 6 months. There is NO excuse for that.
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I'm still waiting for the NCOERs covering the last two years of my life in the Army. I guess 1380 days overdue by now.
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Its been so long ago for me; most of my units have been pretty good about it. One reserve unit had a very good admin specialist who was very conscientious. I still know her and her husband who were in the same unit together; both very nice people and very good soldiers. She told me she used to take them home every month to work on them.
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SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" your are an expert at waiting on this. It's going 2 years, right?
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Sir/Anyone,
What can a rated Soldier actually do to expedite the signing (rater/senior rater) of their evaluation? Is there any procedure/recourse in place to help assist the 'process', other than a rated Soldier continually reminding a rater?
.....as a side note, I am not sure if anyone knows this but, per the HRC website, a Soldier being considered for promotion can request a SSB (Special Selection Board)--if non-select--if their last OER prior to the board was not received AND was over 60 days past the THRU date.
(I am 'assuming' that this "60 days" was put into place because anything less probably could have been remedied by the rated Soldier himself/herself, while any longer than "60 days" likely has to do with the rater and/or senior rater, I would think...)
Granted, reasons for promotion non-selection aren't revealed, so there's really no knowing if the lack of that OER actually caused one to be non-selected....but, it is still grounds for requesting reconsideration for promotion by a SSB.
"d. Examples of requests that may warrant reconsideration include:
(2) One or more evaluation reports that should have been seen by a promotion board were missing from the OMPF. These reports must have arrived in HRC Evaluation Reports Branch by the OER cutoff date established in the message announcing the board convene date. OERs that are received in HRC after the OER cutoff date, that are over 60 days past the thru date of the OER by the OER cutoff date, may also qualify for reconsideration."
What can a rated Soldier actually do to expedite the signing (rater/senior rater) of their evaluation? Is there any procedure/recourse in place to help assist the 'process', other than a rated Soldier continually reminding a rater?
.....as a side note, I am not sure if anyone knows this but, per the HRC website, a Soldier being considered for promotion can request a SSB (Special Selection Board)--if non-select--if their last OER prior to the board was not received AND was over 60 days past the THRU date.
(I am 'assuming' that this "60 days" was put into place because anything less probably could have been remedied by the rated Soldier himself/herself, while any longer than "60 days" likely has to do with the rater and/or senior rater, I would think...)
Granted, reasons for promotion non-selection aren't revealed, so there's really no knowing if the lack of that OER actually caused one to be non-selected....but, it is still grounds for requesting reconsideration for promotion by a SSB.
"d. Examples of requests that may warrant reconsideration include:
(2) One or more evaluation reports that should have been seen by a promotion board were missing from the OMPF. These reports must have arrived in HRC Evaluation Reports Branch by the OER cutoff date established in the message announcing the board convene date. OERs that are received in HRC after the OER cutoff date, that are over 60 days past the thru date of the OER by the OER cutoff date, may also qualify for reconsideration."
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COL Vincent Stoneking
In reality, there is nothing "official" you can do. You are the last signer, and your role is to sign it (with or without comments) once it reaches you. You CAN go the IG/Congressional route, but that is unlikely to be to your benefit. The IG will find that the eval is delinquent, but you (and they) already knew that. And your chain is now pissed at having the IG/Congress in their business, which can lead to an "administratively correct" evaluation.
The "60 days" has to do with the "acceptable" time for OERs to get to HRC. (which is 30 days longer than what the reg requires, if I recall correctly....) In other words, your file is incomplete due to a failure on the part of your command.
The "60 days" has to do with the "acceptable" time for OERs to get to HRC. (which is 30 days longer than what the reg requires, if I recall correctly....) In other words, your file is incomplete due to a failure on the part of your command.
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CPT (Join to see)
Sir,
Not to derail this thread here, but would you (or anyone) know exactly how the new EES system actually works as far as whether or not an OER would actually make it into a board file for consideration, if it was submitted very close to the OER submission cut-off date (as specified in the MILPER)?
My last OER, prior to the convening of the FY15 RC CPT APL board on 02DEC, was done through EES, and had the following timeline:
--THRU: 20140820
--Rater signed: 20141006
--SR Rater signed: 20141119
--I signed it: 20141120
--Board Cut-Off Date to Receive OERs: 20141121
My BN S-1 said she pushed my OER up to HQDA on the day I signed it (20141120).
It would appear like it made it before the cut-off date, but, unless I am reading the MILPER incorrectly, the MILPER seems to be saying that even if an OER is pushed up BEFORE the cut-off date, that it still needs to be processed to make it into the file for consideration. Response have been all over the place...one individual told me "yes, I THINK it would have made it..."....another person told me definitively that I wouldn't make it in for consideration....
I contacted both HRC, as well as the My Board File through their Facebook pages, and neither could tell me if the OER actually made it into my file for consideration. MBF said that they can't share contents of a file after a board was convened. My BN S-1, nor anyone I spoke to in my CoC could tell me either.
I was told the only way that we could really know for sure is just to wait until the results are released. In FY13 this board took something like 250+ days to release, and, recently, an email was sent out saying that the release of our board results was 'delayed'.
The MILPER said THIS:
"...IF AN EVALUATION IS SEEN AS WORKING IN THE INTERACTIVE WEB RESPONSE SYSTEM (IWRS) WITH A RECEIVED BY DATE OF 21 NOV 14, OR EARLIER AND THE EVALUATION IS FREE OF ERRORS, IT WILL BE COMPLETED IN TIME FOR THE SELECTION BOARD."
...is there any way I can know if my OER was "working" in IWRS system?
When my BN S-1 pushed up the OER, on the day I signed it, does that mean that it automatically goes into a "working" status?...or, "process-wise" are there other steps that have to be done to get it to that point?
Not to derail this thread here, but would you (or anyone) know exactly how the new EES system actually works as far as whether or not an OER would actually make it into a board file for consideration, if it was submitted very close to the OER submission cut-off date (as specified in the MILPER)?
My last OER, prior to the convening of the FY15 RC CPT APL board on 02DEC, was done through EES, and had the following timeline:
--THRU: 20140820
--Rater signed: 20141006
--SR Rater signed: 20141119
--I signed it: 20141120
--Board Cut-Off Date to Receive OERs: 20141121
My BN S-1 said she pushed my OER up to HQDA on the day I signed it (20141120).
It would appear like it made it before the cut-off date, but, unless I am reading the MILPER incorrectly, the MILPER seems to be saying that even if an OER is pushed up BEFORE the cut-off date, that it still needs to be processed to make it into the file for consideration. Response have been all over the place...one individual told me "yes, I THINK it would have made it..."....another person told me definitively that I wouldn't make it in for consideration....
I contacted both HRC, as well as the My Board File through their Facebook pages, and neither could tell me if the OER actually made it into my file for consideration. MBF said that they can't share contents of a file after a board was convened. My BN S-1, nor anyone I spoke to in my CoC could tell me either.
I was told the only way that we could really know for sure is just to wait until the results are released. In FY13 this board took something like 250+ days to release, and, recently, an email was sent out saying that the release of our board results was 'delayed'.
The MILPER said THIS:
"...IF AN EVALUATION IS SEEN AS WORKING IN THE INTERACTIVE WEB RESPONSE SYSTEM (IWRS) WITH A RECEIVED BY DATE OF 21 NOV 14, OR EARLIER AND THE EVALUATION IS FREE OF ERRORS, IT WILL BE COMPLETED IN TIME FOR THE SELECTION BOARD."
...is there any way I can know if my OER was "working" in IWRS system?
When my BN S-1 pushed up the OER, on the day I signed it, does that mean that it automatically goes into a "working" status?...or, "process-wise" are there other steps that have to be done to get it to that point?
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