Posted on Apr 21, 2020
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In 2018, I jumped from the Air National Guard to the Army to (hopefully) become a Warrant Officer. Since then, I have helped usher several Air Force NCOs through the process. What is the Air Force not doing that would make anyone (including me) in their right mind want to go back to BTC and WOCS?
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CPT Nicholas D.
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Opportunity. The Army Warrant Officer community is massive, so there are a lot of opportunities both technical and in Aviation.

Additionally, some of the requirements are more attainable for a larger segment of the population. Example: a 4 year degree is not required to apply to be a Warrant Officer (although, most of my Warrant Officer friends do have at least a Bachelor’s and many Master’s and more). Army Warrant Officers are “technical experts” with a paycheck to follow. Depending on years of service, a topped out CW5 retirement is only a few bucks ($128 per month) shy of a topped out LTC.

The Army’s largest WO pool is Aviation. There is an attraction for folks that want to devote themselves to becoming those “technical experts” in the cockpit with out the same political and staff progression as the O side. It still absolutely exists within the WO corps, but it is different, and the difference in the expected quantity of flight time between an O career and a WO career is enough for people to pick a path. Most WOs will trade the salute in front of the PX to the 2LT for the much greater share of flight time, specialty tracks, etc.

The WO cohort also has a different vibe than the traditional officer corps. Much more familiarity and fraternity than other denominations.

Long story short: Serving as an Army Warrant Officer carries a proud tradition an a plethora of opportunity. It’s a unique service experience, and brings a lot of reward. I was very proud to be a Warrant, and as a CPT now, I think my best leadership traits that I harnessed were derived from my experience in the cohort.
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CW4 William Kessinger
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You Bet, also applied that tech expertise as a civilian in both the FAA and Corporate Aviation. And still remained in the reserves to fly Army.
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LTC Michael Keenan
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In reference to technical expertise of warrant officers ,there is the old saying, "You can always tell a warrant officer, but you can't tell him much." I had the privilege of serving with warrant officers during my military career. They were all exceptionally competent and outstanding soldiers.
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SSG Environmental Specialist
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I never understood why a branch like Air Force with all the technical aspects did away with Warrant Officers??
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SSG Aircraft Mechanic
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They had to cut something to afford all those commissioned officers and trillion dollar aircraft design programs.
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SFC Retired
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SSgt (Join to see), The Air Force did inherit warrant officers when it became a separate service, but saw no use for them, and phased them out.

The Army re-establishing aviation warrant officers in 1949.
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PO1 David M Burns
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years ago (vietnam) the army was looking for other service members to be warrant officers, I looked into it and the catch was that they would be reserve WO'S and would revert to their prior rank if riffed! said no thanks!
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MSgt Raul Valdes
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All the branches were supposed to get rid of Warrant Officers in the 60s when Congress created E-8 & E-9. Only the AF followed through. Now the AF is bringing Warrants back with 2 class this year.
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CW2 Electronic Missile Systems Maintenance Warrant Officer
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I also jumped ship in 2018. I did it because I wanted to expand my career down a path that more aligns with my goals, i.e. being an officer without the extra politics of being an O-grade, and I do not regret my decision.

I've gotta say, the Air Force does so many things right, and yet still does so many things wrong. The same can be said about the Army. Those things, could not be more polarized.

For enlisted, the AF concentrates on AFSC competency up to E6 (only after having a major shift in top brass leadership) but still only offers an up or out style of promotion. This seems to make folks with great technical expertise take their training and double their income on the outside or go warrant, if they even know what a warrant is. The excuse that AF senior enlisted do the jobs that a warrant would do, is a complete and utter fallacy. A WO option for techs put into company grade maintenance leadership positions and pilot programs makes too much sense.

The Army on the other hand, in my limited experience, seems to over rely on warrants for technical competency, yet put us in alternative positions that should be filled by O-grades and in turn, expect us to accomplish both without fail. There is no structured OJT for the enlisted folks like the AF, and promotion up to E6 is subjective on how you perform at the board, how you look in uniform and how you do on your PT test.

With all that said, the structure and training that AF personnel receive makes them ripe for warrant officer duty in the Army. The AF could take advantage of those experts yearning for a chance at becoming a technical leader by offering an alternative career path in the form of a WO, and the Army could shift their focus on promotion criteria to MOS competency and emplace a structured training plan that would hold soldiers accountable for their OJT. With a pool of more eligible Army candidates, there wouldn't be such a vacuum for warrants that sister service members could take advantage of. At the end of the day, it's just about opportunity.
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CW2 Information Systems Chief
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Great response! I feel like you just read my diary out loud.
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CW4 William Kessinger
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Also well said.
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What's up with the 'mass exodus' of talent going from Blue (Air Force) to Green (Army) to become a Warrant Officer?
Lt Col Jim Coe
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The Air Force doesn't have Warrant Officers, so NCOs who want to go that route have to move to the Department of the Army or Navy. Also, the Air Force requires manned-aircraft pilots and some other aircrew members to be officers, thus requiring them to have a bachelors degree. As far as I know, the Army does not require Army Aviation Warrant Officers to have a degree. Finally, the Air Force requires officers to compete for leadership positions almost continuously. Just being good at a technical specialty isn't enough to get promoted beyond O-4 in general. If you're a pilot and just want to fly, then the Air Force officer track is going to disappoint you somewhere along the way. Army Aviation WOs can just fly and look forward to making CWO-4 or maybe CWO-5.
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MSG Chuck Pewsey
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When I was in Germany in 1970, we had a recycled Air Force warrant officer assigned to us after they ended their warrant officer. Think I ran into one or two more over the next twenty two years.
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CW4 William Kessinger
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As far as I know the Air Force has not had any Warrant since the late 1950's. Probability the last one retired in 1963 or 1965. (Supply Warrant)
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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Lt Col Jim Coe And - the USAF continues to have shortages of pilots who want to fly airplanes? Your post is revealing, I have met several EX-USAF Pilots whom wanted to fly airplanes rather than filling out numerous reports about what ever! Will the admin administrators ever learn to let admins administrate and support pilots who want to fly just fly?
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CW4 Information Systems Technician
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Back in 2011, when I was re-branching from Ordnance to Signal, there was a former USAF Senior NCO in my class that had negotiated the Blue to Green accessions process. I asked him why he switched over. His answer was quite similar to everything posted here, but he also made this observation: as he progressed from E-6 to E-7 and then to E-8, his technical duties vanished and were replaced by supervisory and management responsibilities almost exclusively. He told me that he left the USAF so that he could continue to advance in his career but stay technically focused. The USAF eliminated Warrant Officers back in the '60s due to the belief/notion/perception/understanding that all of their NCOs are technically focused, but in actual practice that is not true, especially when you get to the Top 3 NCO ranks. Their loss is our gain!
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SGM Jeff Mccloud
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My guess is they want to fly. And they want to keep flying, not just fly the first few years then get currency hours after that.
Anyone in the Air Force has noticed that pilots fly until O3, then they move to management, then maybe one more pilot job, then nothing but management with just the quarterly hours.
Army AV WOs fly their whole career if they play their cards right.
I have even met CW2 and CW3 pilots in 160th that left AFSOC MH-53s as CPTs to just keep flying in the Army.
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CW2 Information Systems Chief
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None of the folks im referring to are aviators. All technical mos. Probably because the cutoff for aviation is much lower in terms of age.
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SGM Jeff Mccloud
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CW2 (Join to see) - then my guess is that it is easier to get an Army warrant packet accepted than to make E7-E8 in the Air Force.
Plus better retirement.
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CW2 Information Systems Chief
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SGM Jeff Mccloud - Keep in mind that we had to go to the full BCT as part of the process. Put it this way, you have to want it!
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Michael Enderle
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Not a direct answer here but I'm a civi with an associate degree and pilot license. I'm debating enlisted in the Air Force or taking a bit more time and trying for Army Warrant Officer. It's a real shame the Air Force doesn't have a way for someone considering the military without a bachelor's degree to fly. I'd be all over it.
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CW4 William Kessinger
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One quick word " FLYING". Not as a crew member but as a PIC and options to fly almost anything the Army has.
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CW4 William Kessinger
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I did so in 1968 and have never regretted it. (moved from AF to Army without a break in service) The Army offered me the opportunity to fly in both fixed wing and rotary wing, some times within the same duty assignment.
If and when the Air Force learns that all pilots are not interested in becoming a General officer and just wanted to fly their entire career. You will note that the AF is having retention issues with their rated pilots and wonder what is going on. Throwing money at the issue as in the 1980's and 1990's did not fix the issue. (increase in flight pay). Give the officer the option of moving up or staying in some flight position with aviation related duties. Such as Aviation Safety, Instructor Pilot, Aviation Maintenance and allow him/her to still stay in the cockpit.
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MSgt Keith Morreira
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The AF discontinued WO in the 90s. It is a perfect rank structure for many specialized career fields that are technical in nature, high responsibility but don’t require direct subordinates.

The AF made a mistake and should bring it back.
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