Posted on Sep 30, 2016
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So, I think we all pretty much know that the Navy doesn't usually do anything for its Sailors unless it also benefits itself as well. With this in mind, I've been trying to figure out what the benefit of re-naming all the rates to 'petty officer' would be. I think I've got it- As a force, we are moving towards being GENDERLESS. Soon females will be wearing the same uniforms as men (it's already happening, females are being issued dixie cups in basic training, etc.) and now man/men has been removed from every single rating title. Anyone want to bet that at some point in the near future we will be calling female officers 'Sir', just like the males? Is it a coincidence that the rates are all renamed according to gender-neutrality on 29 September, then on 1 October, transgender people will be able to serve openly? What's your POV on this subject?
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If we stay professional about it , then I see no problems as far as transgender. I think we all need to get to the point like in that movie Starship troopers and just be equal male/female co-living and sharing stuff and just co-exist.
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PO1 Timothy Harcey
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I think everyone need to go and read and understand the dictionary. They are trying to get rid of the word man as they think it means male. It dos not mean male at all it means human which is a species that encompasses male and female. The word man has nothing to do with the gender at all. So yes there trying to make thins gender natural but do not understand the word man. So the only reason to change is to try and mitigate the noise made by those that have a misunderstood conception of the word male so they do not have to hear it. If a rate was to denote male it would be like this "radiomale, corpsmale ect". It is not so all the rates are already gender natural in there wording. What is needed is the same standards for male and female personal as far as uniforms, job performance, housing, physical fitness to name a few. It also needs to be blind in the promotions of personal. For what it is worth just my 2 cents after 40 years in the military and civilian side of the government. As we said in BLT 3/3 suck it up butter cup.
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PO2 Sybil "TT" I.
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In general, it's just more professional, and more consistent with the direction society is going. But, I don't see it as a priority. Change as you go. For example, since, they were doing away with the rating system anyways, why not tighten it up while there at it? Uniforms are easy. Of course, everyone should be wearing the same one's (covers). There's simply no good reason not to. I'd draw the line at being called Sir tho.
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PO3 Sidney Gaertner
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I will always be a Gunners Mate Third Class Petty Officer. I think it is stupid to get rid of the rates just because they are not gender neutral. The navy is part of us and our history, if we go away with rates we are taking part of our history away. Whoever thought of this change did not think about morale of the force at all.
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Agreed. Not one person below the rank of MCPON was consulted on this issue. Almost guaranteed.
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By the way, I hope you aren't always GM3, haha.
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PO3 Sidney Gaertner
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I will be for the rest of my life. My time in the military ended in 1999. This past year would have been my 20th. Im proud to have served and now I'm serving in a different capacity as Cubmaster to a group of eleven scouts who I want to grow up and be outstanding citizens.
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PO1 Scott Cottrell
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The thing that is pissing me off more than anything is they are removing the Ratings, BUT E-3 and below will all be referred to as SEAMAN. So how is that gender-neutral?
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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Served with Gays my Whole Time didn't have a problem with it. Gender-less, S**t we were already moving in that direction during the Zumwalt years amazed it took this long. Time to put on our Big Boy pants.
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I wasn't expressing an opinion on it one way or another, Just curious how others percieved it. I can assure you, my big boy pants are (and have been for a very long time) on and fastened. Just because someone wants to discuss a subject, it doesn't necessarily mean they have a negative viewpoint of it. As a PO1, I would hope you'd be beyond conclusion jumping.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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PO2 (Join to see) - Not blaming you at all shipmate and hell I'm a sailor and that makes me a romantic also longing for the good old days but this has been a long time coming.
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CAPT Don Bosch, EdD
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"Big Person" pants, now.
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SSgt Gerald Davis Jr
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Silliness but the Marines are already gender neutral.
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PO3 Cris Smyth
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I give a rats ass what you think you are. You are whatever the plumbing you were born with! When it comes to fit test women have a higher % of body fat then guys. So if you "identify"as a woman then you get the % of body fat. That just makes excuses for men to pack on a few lbs and not be accountable.
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Edited >1 y ago
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