Posted on Feb 16, 2017
What should be done if the President is mentally ill?
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If the man at the top may be unstable - then the White House is likely to exhibit some instability - as well as some efforts by the White House staff - who are normal infighters - to undermine and replace the man at the top. The problem, however, is how to accomplish regime change (the replacement of a mentally unstable incumbent with another member of the ruling political party) within the very strict confines of the United States Constitution - and within the constraint of maintaining the full faith and confidence of the citizens. Time to bring Mike Pence up to bat.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-mental-health-new-york-times-incapable-being-president-warning-open-letter-a7578831.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/opinion/mental-health-professionals-warn-about-trump.html
http://www.lancedodes.com/new-york-times-letter
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-mental-health-new-york-times-incapable-being-president-warning-open-letter-a7578831.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/opinion/mental-health-professionals-warn-about-trump.html
http://www.lancedodes.com/new-york-times-letter
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First, you and I can't diagnose anyone with mental problems. Only licensed psychologist and psychiatrists can. They get paid the big bucks, b/c a diagnosis once listed on a Medical Record is almost impossible to remove.
He's been doing more in 2 months than the horrendous one before him. From what I've seen and heard, so many people are obsessed with him and 'protesting' rather than seeing what he's done. Last I checked, trying to overthrow any part of the government is treason.
He's been doing more in 2 months than the horrendous one before him. From what I've seen and heard, so many people are obsessed with him and 'protesting' rather than seeing what he's done. Last I checked, trying to overthrow any part of the government is treason.
We have a Constitutional amendment that answers that; however, the difficult part would be for Congress to prove it to act on it, and they do have the burden of proof. Unless demonstrably and legally insane, a president would have to be proven to be unstable--and what would be the criteria? It would be a very slippery slope, as we have had many presidents with certain emotional and relational quirks; I think out-and-out breaking of Constitutional law would have to be proven in order to impeach a standing president, and deem him unfit to hold the office. It would be a tough row to hoe.
From the threads I have seen that you have started, you seem to be suffering from TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome). Perhaps you should see a doctor about that.
Now as regards to your question about a president who might be incapacitated, rather than posting a question on RP designed to stir the crap, a quick search of the Constitution should satisfy your curiosity. (hint: 25th Amendment)
Now as regards to your question about a president who might be incapacitated, rather than posting a question on RP designed to stir the crap, a quick search of the Constitution should satisfy your curiosity. (hint: 25th Amendment)
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CSM Clifford Fargason - I know the constitutional provision. The question was whether and how to apply it - or the other authorized means of replacing the guy with the other guy supported by the voters as an alternative in case of incapacity. Sandy :)
CSM Clifford Fargason
The 25th lays out the authorized means. And as an officer who took an oath to support and defend the Constitution, what is your basis for taking the duly elected President out of office and replacing that President, not with the Vice President as authorized by the Constitution, but with a candidate who was not elected IAW the Constitution? In other words, can you name a term that adequately describes someone who has taken the oath and now wants to subvert the Constitution?
There is no federal law that requires the President of the United States to pass nuclear weapons personnel reliability program testing? And as the duly elected President, the people have already spoken as to whether they believe he is stable. He won; get over it.
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Cpl Mark McMiller - True enough. But, I believe the psychological stability and reliability of the chain of command for release of nuclear weapons should be verifiable and verified by behavioral interviews, investigation, and testing. Warmest Regards, Sandy :)
SPC Randy Torgerson
1LT Sandy Annala - In your world, do you at least agree then that Obama should have been tested as well?
Are you asking a question or making a comment on the President’s Mental health? If you are commenting on the president’s mental health, are you psychiatrist or psychologist?
Just because you don't agree with someone's political views or like their speech, doesn't make him or her mentally ill. Trump is a businessman, not a politician and he doesn't follow political rules. That is in fact, why he was elected.
In case you haven't been paying attention the full faith of the citizens voted for a non-politician in order to transform the country to a more pleasant one where the common man is not forgotten as he/she has been under the guise of a clown who would use secrecy to implement his plans. We may not be the most educated or even the best educated but we are observant and have been watching. Now because the minority does not like the majority there is mass hysteria to change a political figure. Where was this same outcry when your last savior failed at every turn, where was your outrage when millions of American families were left destitute without money because their jobs were no longer conducive to the new American dream? Where was your outcry when Americans were forced into a healthcare system that promotes increase payments from those already paying with less healthcare? Where was your outcry when that last administration bargained with known terrorists by giving billions of dollars away? Where was your outcry when your own government supplied weapons to drug cartels? Yes you have had your head in the sand for some time and you hope that the American people are as blind and uniformed as you are. This is a new age and people are arming themselves with knowledge, something you people never took into account. So my advice to you is look elsewhere in order to form some type of childish coup. I would start by cleaning out your own laundry before airing for other to see. The last question I'll leave you with is: Are you comparing our current president to who and if so what is so fundamentally different?
MSG Lonnie Averkamp
One of the best dissertations that I have heard from a guy with a Psychology Degree. Right-on!
The mental instability card is being thrown into play by those who demand that all political leaders act the same way within a narrow construct of previous denizens of the swamp (to use the vernacular). What people consistently fail to consider is that the current POTUS was elected because he is NOT a politician or a product of a political world. He is an aggressive businessman (for better or worse) who is used to confrontational tactics and where turning the other cheek is requesting two sore cheeks instead of one. The prime value of the mental instability charge is the difficulty in defending against it. Whether the charge is politically driven or emotional fear by a more ........'pampered'........portion of our populace of a throwback to more forceful times (No "kinder, gentler world" here.) makes little difference. The constitution is quite clear on the reasons and the procedure for replacing a POTUS. I have yet to see where a differing philosophy of life constitutes mental instability. Personally, I appreciate dealing with an honest, upright, in-your-face opponent in lieu of a snake in the grass type who speaks for an hour with a smile and never answers the question (no fingers pointed here, honest!).
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U.S. Constitution - 25th Amendment (Amendment XXV)
Section 1.
In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.
Section 2.
Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
Section 3.
Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.
Section 4.
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
VP would become president then I think Speaker of the House becomes VP and so on. President Trump has yet to show any kind of mental deficiency. I'm pretty sure the White House staff is shocked at how he is. They've been under terrorist, Muslim loving, and tranny loving Obama for 8 years. Those three are most definitively NOT our priority.
The Legal citizens of this country, homeless, Veterans, needy, sick, starving, etc., that have gone largely overlooked by Obama and his ilk for 8 years IS the priority. Reducing the debt, creating jobs for Legal citizens, and closing our borders IS priority. When illegals and 'refugees' can come here and get more benefits, preference over Legal citizens, something is very wrong.
I don't care about other countries. I care about this country and it's legal citizens more than the rest of the world. Yes, I repeated "Legal" because too many have bleeding hearts for them instead of us. If he's doing things that 'hurt feelings' in favor of fulfilling his Oath of office, then so be it. He is to protect and defend US first; not other countries and non-legal immigrants. If someone concludes that it makes him 'mentally unstable' then they are VERY wrong in their supposed diagnosis.