Posted on Feb 16, 2017
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If the man at the top may be unstable - then the White House is likely to exhibit some instability - as well as some efforts by the White House staff - who are normal infighters - to undermine and replace the man at the top. The problem, however, is how to accomplish regime change (the replacement of a mentally unstable incumbent with another member of the ruling political party) within the very strict confines of the United States Constitution - and within the constraint of maintaining the full faith and confidence of the citizens. Time to bring Mike Pence up to bat.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-mental-health-new-york-times-incapable-being-president-warning-open-letter-a7578831.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/opinion/mental-health-professionals-warn-about-trump.html

http://www.lancedodes.com/new-york-times-letter
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TSgt Space Systems Operator
If your still in the military show some respect to your boss. If you want to change things go run for office and work your way up. Trump won, Trump is the president, Trump is your boss. Disagree all you want, however don't disrespect your chain of command like that and show others it is ok. You made an oath, follow it. You are showing such disrespect to young impressionable military members that is not ok.
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1LT Sandy Annala - Your right we should think about the legality of everything that goes on in our government, especially since we are in the military. However young military members shouldn't see your disrespect to your BOSS! Show some respect to your chain of command, nothing says you can't disagree but you are not his doctor so have no right to claim anything against him, as well as if you was then you shut up about it and keep it confidential like your supposed to. Nothing says we shouldn't question the legality of things, however he was elected with that knowledge on the table. Get over it, move on and if you want to fix it get into politics.
PO2 Gail Grace
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MCPO Mark Burns - I personally wouldn't watch such perversion for free. However it has been amusing to see the Left suddenly pretend to be the Morality Police

Didn't hear much from them about Bill Clinton, either, who did more than just talk.

Great comment!
CPT Wallace Dunn
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SPC Randy Torgerson - an "employee" in the Military is covered under the UCMJ and you cannot be disrespectful to your chain of command, whether you like them or not. Whether you add "sir" or not.
SPC Randy Torgerson
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CPT Wallace Dunn - My E-8 nephew see's it all the time. Its disgusting. He's retiring this year and is sick at how the military has changed. He's in a tech unit with men and women, and he says its so bad, he's forbidden to even yell at them. Maybe the more serious combat mos's there is better discipline, but he's in more of an admin support role making sure wifi is all working properly. There is the way it should be and there is the way it is...... Sounds like one of us is not getting good information.....
SFC George Smith
There is a clause In the Constitution... that allows for the replacement of the president if he incapacitated... at Which point VP Pence Takes over...
That's if My Constitutional law, American History and US Civics and Government classes are about correct...
SPC Randy Torgerson
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May I ask why we're talking about this? Yes, if the president is not alive or can not regain consciousness, that is the main and really sole purpose of the Vice Presidents duties. But yes you are correct Mr. Smith, in my opinion.
Stephanie Jones
Whether mentally ill or not we have millions of mentally ill citizens all over the United States. And I have heard no information that the President is mentally ill, but if he was, would that be an excuse to yank him out of his office? I don't think stubbornness or his decisions are enough to constitute 'mentally ill'. No disrespect to you Lieutenant, but do you really think its a good idea to label the mentally ill? Our country is beginning to move in a direction of understanding and compassion to all these 'mentally ill' people, especially our soldiers and veterans. I believe it is just another desperate (and discriminatory) ploy to oust the President.
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SPC Randy Torgerson - I don't hate President Trump. But, as a Reagan Era Conservative, I disagree with his rhetoric of hate that encourages hatred and divisiveness with respect to historically disadvantaged groups in our society. I disagree with his intentions to violate The Budget Control Act of 2011 that places separate specific annual budgetary caps on federal spending for domestic programs versus military programs. I disagree with his promises to shift $54 billion per year from domestic spending to military spending that cannot be sustained without a two thirds vote in the Senate - which he will not secure - because President Trump's budget proposals - including his trillion dollar infrastructure boondoggle that will increase both our taxes and national debt - is a serious mistake. I believe President Trump is an authoritarian oligarch whose entire purpose in office is to enrich him family and a few of his fellow billionaires at the cost of middle class taxpayers. The man has a long history of promising one thing as bait and then switching to deliver something entirely different. The sad thing is that many of his supporters don't realize that President Trump will wreck social and economic devastation of historic proportions without even comprehending the damage he is causing to so many of his own supporters. Warmest Regards, Sandy :)
SPC Randy Torgerson
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1LT (Join to see) - Lawyers MUST be a member of the state bar to legally practice. I'm saying any reputable Psychologist will be a member of the APA. Fight it all you want, but a non member probably won't even get air time. And with a non members ethical standards being below APA guideline by rendering such an opinion out in the open without an examination, I'll bet good money they would be turned down from APA membership. It would hold as much weight as your public hatred of President Trump.
SPC Randy Torgerson
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1LT Sandy Annala - Ok now at least in this post you qualify particular policies that you don't like. I can respect that. We can have a discussion on each one of those policies because of course mostly I don't agree with your views of them. But I give you credit because you at least listed things you disagree with and that can be debated. But one thing you just said makes no sense at all:

You said, "I believe President Trump is an authoritarian oligarch whose entire purpose in office is to enrich him family and a few of his fellow billionaires at the cost of middle class taxpayers."

You can't possibly believe Trump ran for President to make money? Please tell me you don't believe that.... This presidential position only costs him personal money. He funded his entire campaign with personal funds. His family was already wealthy. He doesn't even want his salary as President, though constitutionally he may have to take it. Your nuts if you think any of his objectives is to "get rich". He doesn't even want to be president, but felt the need do to the last 50 years of problematic Presidents (except maybe Reagan).

1Lt Annala, please stick with your distaste for specific policies and not hyperbole.
SFC Jim Ruether
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1LT Sandy Annala - Obama stretched social programs to their breaking point while he was president. He didn't require any work or community service before you collected benefits. I think most of what Trump is dealing with is what he was left to clean up. He IS requiring a minimum amount of work before you collect any benefits, something a majority of working Americans want to see! Give Trump a chance and see what he can do if folks cooperate with him and help him Make America Great Again!
LTC Greg Henning
These are excellent questions! There is a protocol in place. Look at past presidents and you can see they circle the wagons and the cabinet / wife calls the shots.
Sgt Heriberto Salinas
About 80% of us are somewhat mentally ill (my opinion ) enough to put us into a pathological state of mind. If you don't see it now, you will soon. Their have been many of politicians, including Presidents, who have been mentally ill. I think that might be a prerequisite! Who, in their right, would want to be President of the United States. One wrong decision, and millions of people are affected, or dead. I personally can't live with myself if I was directly responsible for getting someone killed, but apparently there are some Presidents who have, and have no problem sleeping at night. Mentally ill or no conscience. Take your pick.
MCPO Roger Collins
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I believe this thread/topic was referring to a point of incapacity. Agree, if any of us went before a psychologist, they would find a problem. To a hammer, everything looks like a nail. In this instance, a cash cow.
SPC Randy Torgerson
SPC Randy Torgerson
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Your right Sgt, we're all crazy, its just a discussion to what degree...... :)
LCDR Jack Spratt
1LT - It's not your job to decide the competency of the President. It's your job to obey his orders. Unless Congress decides he's not capable of doing his job, he is still the President. Time to "carry on", Soldier. Do your job, and let the others do theirs.
SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff - Perhaps not but I find it interesting that many people in other countries are better informed on what goes on here than many American citizens are. When there was talk about impeaching Mr Trump before He even took office there, NO President elected to office deserves that. I have never seen anyone hold that office I agree 100% with nor have a disagreed with everything any holder of the office of the President had done. It take a good two years or more in My estimate to decide how well or how poorly they did and the next election the either will be reelected or another person will assume that office thought the election process.
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Looks like you have been listening to too much of that liberal biased fake news. The only mentally ill people around here are the sicko liberals wanting to see this country fall under the control of Islam. In fact I bet you think sheria law should be allowed to exist in our great nation. Its really sad to see Americans against the very person that is actually trying to repair the damage done. Oh and by the way how did you enjoy your pay raise enacted by who you call mentally ill. Maybe he was out of his mind when he done that.
CPO Jim Cerullo
CPO Jim Cerullo
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First you should learn to spell sharia correctly. Second your fear is caused by using your amygdala to make decisions and that is caused by the size of your amygdala. So you can't be held responsible for your emotional decisions. Sad.
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Sounds like I hit a nerve, haha. So which is it your a liberal, democrat or muslum? So your saying if I slap the crap out of you from an emotional response to your slanderous statement I will not be hel accountable? Oh amd since you have made a medical diagnoses based on your years of experience as a Dr.,then you should be able to prove your diagnoses of my mental, emotional or medical state of being in a court of law defending your statements that seem to me to be considered liberal.
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Oh and its not a fear if that democrat had made president we would be having more problems over the decades. You may not even be interested to know I saw a gentleman wearing combat gear at a mosk outside Austin. A mosk, combat gear? doesn't add up. One other point take a look at what other countries are dealing with. Also remember 911 or have you forgotten? Open your eyes and take a hard loook around you amd see. Oh and don't forget to read your bible. Everything it says is true. Don't believe me then go ask all those people on the USS Enterprise 1984 west pack out of San Diego what happened to the typhoon we were headed into. That was the Holy Spirit off the Starboard bow of the ship. Be shuuure toooo ceck mi speling may hav miss pelled sumting. But then according to u it my amglata mudoooola.
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By the way God gave me his Holy Spirit. It is not fear but what I see. Have you ever had a vision by day or a vision of the night?
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PVT Raymond Lopez
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HELL GO FOR IT!!!
SSgt Christophe Murphy
You can't claim someone is crazy or literally has a mental illness just because their political or economical views differ from your own.

But to answer your question you must first prove that an illness or injury exists and have it medically proven and documented. It is required to say that HIPAA would apply so though there may be a diagnosis the outcome would be sealed.

If there is confirmation of an inability to serve in office everything else is rather easy because a process already exists for the chain of Command.

But again it must be said that this has to be legitimate and not just bellyaching over differences of politics.
SSG Thomas Barry
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didnt know Marines could be touchy feely deep thinkers. I believe Gunney has a better answer lol
PVT Raymond Lopez
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SSG Thomas Barry - I met him at the AUSA Convention my wife got an autographed picture she was the lady who redesigned your body armor so it would fit an because she has such a devious mind had if proofed again Ak-47 rounds.
SGM Bill Frazer
Look, 1st and foremost- POLITICS has no business in the Military- we are under civilian control and have to live with it. We by regulation have to respect the position, whether we agree with them or not. 2. Several Presidents since the early 80's have issued directives outlining procedures should the POTUS becomes unable to perform his duties, the line of succession has been around for a very long time. If you are suggestion that a POTUS is mentally ill cause YOU don't agree with him then please resign , retire or just get the hell out of Military, because you have failed your oath!

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