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Matteo Milazzo
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I recently turned 17 and want to join to the reserves. My plan is join reserves now so next year when I go to college I'd have access to gi bill and tuition assistance and in college do ROTC. I am meeting with my recruiter next week (possibly for the last time before I sign) and was wondering what questions I should ask him. If you could leave some questions or anything I should know it would be appreciated.
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If you join the reserves and then commission through ROTC, they may not allow you to commission active duty. I would ask about that. Have you thought about just applying for rotc and trying to get scholarship through rotc? They will pay all tuition, books, and monthly stipend if you get it
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Matteo Milazzo
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LTC Eric Udouj I'm slightly confused by your comment, my apologies. From my understanding, if I sign an rotc contract I wouldn't be out of the reserves until that contract is up, but I would be excluded from having to be deployed if my reserve unit were to have to be.
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LTC Eric Udouj
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I will try to make it easy sounding - vs what the Regs say in detail that are anything but easy reading even for those who understand what they are saying. When you contract for the ROTC Advanced course.. you are an officer cadet. So even if you were an E4 in your USAR unit - or E5 - you now are placed in an officer position of leadership. If you are scholarship - different story in the timeline and you are transferred from the TPU you are in to the ROTC Control Group (let ROTC explain that in detail how such occurs and when it will occur if you are wanting to go scholarship). Usually the Advanced program is MSIII as far as SMP and GRF scholarship is concerned. What governs everything is AR 601-210 para 9-14.
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LTC Eric Udouj
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I do not want to sound to technical - only to provide you some further questions to ask, and letting you know that all such questions are governed by regulation... Your recruiter can walk you through your questions by using that paragraph as well - which he/she will probably know very well in all its aspects.
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COL Jon Thompson
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Matteo Milazzo - Be advised. If you are enlisted in the Army Reserve and do ROTC, there are limited scholarships available for you if your end desire is to do active duty. As a Soldier in the USAR, you can compete for a GRFD scholarship which locks you into reserve forces duty and takes active duty off the table. If you want to compete for an active duty scholarship, the USAR would need to release you. Otherwise you would have to select a non-scholarship contract.
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Just so you know tuition assistance only covers 16 hours of classes per fiscal year. The normal school year is 32 hours a year
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Matteo Milazzo
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CPT (Join to see) I would be using mine. You have access to both GI and tuition assistance within a year of service and, according to my recruiter, if I were to join this summer and be in the reserves throughout my senior year of high school, I would be able to use those programs by the time I'm in college.
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As a reservist you only get partial GI bill. To get a full GI bill it’s based on your time on active duty.
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Matteo Milazzo
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CPT (Join to see) ok I was unaware of that. I will definitely ask how much would be available to me. Thank you
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LTC Eric Udouj
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Agree wit CPT Hamilton - best to make sure you read up and understand yourself what the benefits are for the USAR. Just as important is knowing the difference between USAR and Army National Guard. Yes - there is a difference being ARNG education programs vary state to state. Would also recommend talking to the ROTC of whatever school you are wanting to attend in regards to scholarship. https://www.goarmy.com/reserve/benefits/education.html?iom=OP68-9021-ACNP-PS-XXX-GO-XXX-W2-XX-X-W44&&c3apidt=p [login to see] 3&gclid=CjwKCAjwmNzoBRBOEiwAr2V27REQyiLJ6eBkgZx_Fg-t3LSe99VkukLRcZzxitlwUidBNO9rVPjvxhoClp4QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
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SMSgt Thor Merich
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Which branch are you looking into? What job are you looking to get? The Army doesn’t have Combat jobs in the Reserves only support jobs. The Army Guard has Combat jobs. The Air Force Reserves have almost every job as the active duty side. I am not sure what jobs are available for the Navy and Marine Reserves.

First of all, if you go Reserves, you need to find out where exactly your Reserve unit is located. Is it close to your home or 3 hours away? When I left active duty and joined the Reserves, I was promised by the recruiter that my unit was an hour from my home. Turns out it was 3 hours away.

I would also ask how many times had your potential unit deployed in last 10 years? That might give you a idea of future deployments. The military is very Dependent on its reserve forces. The chances of being deployed (thus interrupting your school work) is much higher than it used to be before 9/11.

If you have the opportunity, I would go ROTC. Being an officer is always better than being enlisted. Plus the military will pay for 100% of your education up front.

Also, have a career field in mind before you see the recruiter. Do your homework. There is plenty of information available online about different military careers. Also, know that each month recruiters are given a list of jobs that need to be filled that month. They will always steer you towards those jobs first even if you are not a good fit.

Look into more than one branch of the military. Each has unique things to offer you. I was active duty Army, then Air Guard, and now the Air Force Reserves. Each service has its pluses and minuses. I also wouldn’t discount the Guard. Both the Army and Air Force have Guard unit’s. I enjoyed my time in the Air Guard. Over half of my unit was prior active duty Army soldiers and Marines. We found the Air Force lifestyle much better than our previous branches.

Good luck!
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Matteo Milazzo
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I'm definitely more interested in army than anything else. Currently, the ROTC application is national based for scholarship until I get to college, then is granted locally through the college. The national is every person my age across the country, and is incredibley competitive. It would be hard for me to get it and already being apart of the reserves would increase my likely of getting it. Also, from my understanding, if you are in rotc on scholarship you will not deploy with your reserve unit if that were to happen.
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LTC Eric Udouj
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SMsgt Merich great points - as usual.
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What should I ask my recruiter?
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The first question you need to answer for yourself is what component do you want to commission in. If active duty is your desired end state, then I would wait until all the National ROTC scholarship boards have made their selections. If you enlist first and then receive a scholarship offer, the USAR would have to release you to take that scholarship. I have one cadet in my program that did that and we are still waiting for the conditional release form to come back so she can contract in the fall. I would ask your recruiter about how could you do ROTC and be in the Army Reserve at the same time. He/she should be well versed on the Simultaneous Membership Program (SMP) and how that works. Secondly, I would have him/her show you what MOS's you qualify for. If you do not do ROTC, you want to be in an MOS that you think will enjoy because that is what you will do for your USAR contract. Third, I would ask him/her about training dates and how that would impact enrolling in college. It sounds like you may be doing the split option so you may be able to complete AIT in the summer before college. But doublecheck. Finally, get full clarification on all of your education benefits (Tuition assistance, select reserve GI bill, student loan repayment). Part of this is asking the recruiter what might happen to any benefits if you do ROTC (especially if you received a scholarship). Also, do not forget to talk with the ROTC program as well so they are tracking you as a prospect. I hope this helps.
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I second this...not sure if my response to his response to my initial post is visible but this tracks right along with what I told him.
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Capt Gene Leone
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Whatever he/she tells you , get it in writing!
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dont forget to ask how many leaves u have
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First and foremost I applaud your efforts in reaching out for answers, as well as considering raising your right hand. That said, The first thing you need to do is take a hard look at at the questions you should ask YOU...WHY you are joining...if the first part of that answer is not something like "Because I want to be a part of something bigger than me while improving myself in service to more than me" then I would postpone the recruiter meeting and do some deep introspection. 29 years experience solidly showed me the axiom "You are your best career manager" to be true, but it also proved conclusively that "What's in it for me?" rarely ends well in any of the services. The benefits are not an entitlement- they are the manifestation of the appreciation of the American people for your sacrifice for their collective good.
Once you answer that question remember this in dealing with your recruiter:
1) If you go in without educating yourself you will get what you deserve
2) You hold all the cards because you have the power of "No" and the ability to walk away, so if you cave to any pressure then aim all blame at the mirror
3) This is a business negotiation (and the recruiter is better at it than you)- it's not personal. You have a goal in mind. Your recruiter has a goal in mind. Compromise is part of the process but unacceptable compromise by either should not be. It's OK to walk away, because nobody wins if either of you loses (wrong person in the slot). (If a recruiter screws an applicant he gets 1 fill, but also gets a poisoned well when that fill calls all his buddies back home).
4) Lumping all recruiters into one standard is like lumping everything with 4 wheels into the word "Car", so use your instinct and pay attention to everything, not just the words but body language, environment, "Other". If your inner voice is screaming "Something don't smell right" then F-ing listen to it!! Don't force a bad tactical position; trading space for time is fine, so if you're uncomfortable, even without knowing exactly why, walk away, think it over, do more research and then go back....rinse, lather, repeat until you get to where you both need to be.
5) RATIONALIZING will kill you...it's like buying a car: You go in wanting a red Ram 4x4, dealer doesn't have one but says they do have a really sweet red Ford 2WD on sale...does the fact that it's red and a truck really get at the solution? Only you can know.

Lastly have you looked at scholarships? You mentioned college and ROTC so you are looking at the officer path...the Army has a 3 year option which is a really good thing (it's what I did). Army 4 year scholarships are harder to get than a West Point slot, but 3 years are abundant! You go in paying your own way the first year, but most programs have detachments at the local community colleges so you get to try it out pretty cheap, without commitment, while having the opportunity to prove yourself to the Corps of Cadets (them trying you out).
Good luck - I'd like to know how this turns out and feel free to ask as many questions as you wish.
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Matteo Milazzo
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Thank you so much! This is not my first time speaking with this recruiter, I have gone several times and he seems rather friendly and not so eager on just getting to me sign. I think this in part because he is the head recruiter at that building who I was referred to after one of the younger ones couldn't get me to budge on believing all the crazy things he said.

From this question thread, questions I've asked on Reddit, info I've gotten from recruiters and from the ROTC department at the school of my choice, I've gotten so many different bits of information and most of them don't match. From my current understanding, if I join the Army Reserves this summer, then in a year (I'd be joining college January of 2021) I would have access to monetary benefits such as GI Bill, kicker and tuition assistance. Is this true?

Also, I know how competitive the 4 year scholarship is for ROTC, I don't expect to get it but I am applying. Once in college, I plan on working hard in ROTC as this is where I see my future so getting 3 year seems feasable. The ROTC department at my school said if I were to be in Reserves now, when I get to ROTC I would be an SMP cadet, and as long as I have the AD requirements (3.5gpa and the amount of credits needed) I can go AD even though I'm in the reserves still at that time and be a 2nd lieutenant but if I join the National Guard now, going AD would be significantly harder. Is this true?

Those are by far the 2 biggest questions I have about my future. If you would have the answers to that, that would be great. If not, I need to talk with several different recruiters and several different ROTC departments and see if I get different answers from all of them. Thank you for your help too my man.
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1) Sounds like you are on the right track so good on you.
2) The ROTC department is the definitive answer on all the stuff in your 3rd paragraph (Reserves, National Guard, SMP etc etc) BUT!!! ask more questions on the SMP thing....I got into a little hot, well, warm, water on that because YOU CAN'T BE SMP AND SCHOLARSHIP AT THE SAME TIME!! I got a 3 year, then went SMP, was there for 2 drills and the APMS came to me and said "You either need to give up your scholarship or leave SMP" - at least then you couldn't do both. There may be a special thing for people already in the reserves who get scholarships -- you need to ask and get a really good straight answer on that one...you don't want to eliminate the possibility of a scholarship by joining the reserves -- but ask because rules change and I did it in 1989 :)
3) National Guard versus Reserves...THEY AREN'T THE SAME THING!!!!! the Guard falls under the authority of the Governor of the state, who is the Commander in Chief of his state's Guard (US Code Title 32) and only falls under Federal authority with a specific call up from the President, while the Reserves are a part of the Department of Defense (Title 10, US Code) with the President as their commander in Chief. As such, the rules for being enlisted in the Guard, getting commissioned, going AD blah blah blah can be VERY DIFFERENT.
4) Reserve commission going on active duty. Technically ALL ROTC commissions are in the reserves but you get "Assessed" into an active duty slot or into a Regular Army commission. All this depends on an Army board that meets after your MS 3 year and ranks you against every other cadet in the nation based on your 1) GPA related to your Major, 2) your camp score, and 3) your PMS evaluation. The board then selects your component (regular army, active reserve, reserves etc), your branch and other. I got regular army, received my commission and executed my oath of office into the reserves as a 2LT with active duty orders, then executed a second oath of office into the regular army once I actually came on active duty at my officer basic course.

Hope this helps

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Matteo Milazzo
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LTC (Join to see) thank you so much! You are probably the most knowledgeable and helpful person I've spoken to so far about all this.

I understand everything but am confused on 1 thing. You said you cant get the scholarship if you are smp. Did you get the scholarship once you were in college after your freshman year or did you apply for the national scholarship after Highschool and get that one? My recruiters told me that if I get a ROTC scholarship, I can that along with my GI Bill, kick, tuition assistance, etc and it should be no problem so I assume that has changed since you were involved. That is definitely something I will bring up to the ROTC department though thank you!
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I showed up to college first as a freshly graduated high school civilian, signed up for ROTC MS 1 just like any other class with no scholarship or military affiliation of any kind, applied for the 3 year scholarship during my first year and got it,then after I was on contract for the scholarship the APMS got me into SMP...it was only after I started SMP that he realized they had screwed up and you could only do one or the other...that's why I mentioned that the SMP rules for your situation may be a bit different. that said, the two most important things here are 1) get the no crap ground truth on the specific combination of SMP, scholarship and / or reserve stuff which applies to your situation, and 2) some of the other replies on this thread emphasize the fact that if you enlist reserves first there are restrictions on getting scholarships, commissioned for active duty and all kinds of other stuff...the sequence matters so ...
BEGIN WITH WHAT YOUR END GOAL IS AND WORK the process BACKWARD FROM THERE.
I look back and even though I had to pay for the first year I'm SOOOOO glad I did it the way I did - it was right for me. I got to try it out without commitment, found I really loved it, then signed on for the long haul.
Remember also -- the recruiters are more specialized at getting enlisted people while the ROTC guys prime focus is making officers. Not that the recruiters don't know the right info, just that each is looking at it from a different point of view -- and they each still have a job to do which is either make enlisted guys or make officers.
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I would recommend that you contact a National Guard Recruiter. Most state pay instate tutition for members of the national guard. Consider selecting a MOS in the CF that you might be interesting in excepting a commission.
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SSG Brian G.
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Everything. Not being smart or a dick here.
That recruiter is your initial POC into the military. They are there to answer or get answers to any and all questions you have no matter how mundane or off the wall they might seem. They are there to literally verbally walk you through the process so you feel at ease as possible.

If you have not taken the ASVAB you will want to ask about that. If you have taken it and tested poorly, ask about retest options etc and availability. You want to know about what jobs you qualify for and not just what they are pushing due to military need. You want to ask about signing bonuses and inventive packages for certain MOS's and qualifiers.

Determine what you are looking for and want before you go in, not after. DIfferent MOS will have basic or OSUT in different locations and length times. Ask about your dependents if any and their possible accompaniment during AIT or phase 4 of OSUT. Ask about pay and benefits and what applies and does not as far as your civilian schooling and what rank you will enter as.

Look at your options such as commissioning versus enlisted. Look at getting locked in contract options such as Airborne, Ranger etc that are locked into your contract.
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Unless you know for sure the duty schedule of the job you will be in, for sure, ask that.

I re-joined after a break. Thought I knew it all. Got to the Fire Department Academy as a SSgt (e5) with one day TIG because of 6 years prior and same rank. Lost 2 years TIG.

I guess I was so stupid I thought everyone worked normal hours. But no, the FD in the AF sleeps at the station 24 on, 24 off, and what they call a Kelly day making a 3 day break every so often. I found this out when I got to the Fire Department Academy.

Well, that sucked. It was a fearsomely shit schedule for me at the time.

Especially since the assholes running it were either single or didn't care about any life outside the station, since it was military, they just kept us up all night a lot of nights running needless drills, and doing really important shit like washing a couple acres of fire truck because of a mud splash one had to look really hard to see.

Does this sound peevish? Maybe. It's anger that has had many years to mature into a fine, thin determination to never put myself in a place where I have to follow someones' whim ever again. Being pretty successful so far.
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