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Hi all. I'm trying to join the Army, and really want to make a career of it. Just took my asvab (results included). Ive been told I have my choice of whatever I want to do in the army. Enlisted only. (No degree). I'm married and expecting, and I want to make a great life for my family, but I need some guidance. I would prefer a job that allows my family to stay in one place, at least one gives a high chance that we won't be relocated often, if ever. Second, preferred duty stations include Bragg, Detrick, Meade, and Aberdeen. Third, I would prefer to be a warfighter of some persuasion, whether I'm hacking into an enemys powerplant, calculating firing angles for howitzers, sniping an enemy HVT, or persuading local populations to our side. All these things considered, I've been previously advised that 37F, 17C, 14E, 13P, and 18X are all things that I should look into. Can anybody offer me some advise on what I should pursue or avoid? I'm happy to answer any clarifying questions you may have.
Posted 8 y ago
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Consider the Army National Guard. If you wanted to do the 18 series route, you could pursue the REP 63 enlistment (ARNG’s enlistment option that 18X was built on). The training alone is going to be 2 years on Active Duty, and you and your wife can get a feel for it. After graduation, you know where you are going, and you could pursue Active Duty positions in your home State (AGR). You will have achieved everything you wanted. Active Duty, SF Qualification, and Geographic Stability. But now that you are on SF in the Guard, forget about “one weekend a month, two weeks in the summer.” You will be gone quite a bit, even if you stayed a part-time M-Day Soldier.
I saw a CMF 18 series MOS in your list of options. There’s a right way and a wrong way to join the Army. I had a few buddies enlist for Hawaii. Yes... I said that right... their only enlistment criteria was Hawaii. Other than the one who went AWOL in Basic (IET Separation), the others did their 3 years and got out as fast as they could. Do what you are going to love, aim high, and know that everything that is cool, fun, sexy, or impressive in the military is going to ask for the most sacrifice from you. The coolest jobs have the longest schools and will be the hardest on your mind, body, soul, and family. With that said, they are often more kinder in the paycheck department when you start addding special pays, incentives, etc.
I would boldly tell you that you aren’t going to get your way, but as a Guardsman, I got everything I wanted. I picked my original MOS, Language, unit. After 10 years I got to pick a career change to Aviation, got to pick my Aircraft. I got “offered” the Fixed-Wing and the Direct Commission thing, but it’s what I wanted to do. Beyond training and deployment, I have spent the last 19 years with the same Home of Record State (address has changed a few times).
Long Story Short... your mil career is a chess game. If you win our lose will be judged by you at the end, but consider all options in your research. As I review my own career, I wouldn’t change a thing. Good Luck!
I saw a CMF 18 series MOS in your list of options. There’s a right way and a wrong way to join the Army. I had a few buddies enlist for Hawaii. Yes... I said that right... their only enlistment criteria was Hawaii. Other than the one who went AWOL in Basic (IET Separation), the others did their 3 years and got out as fast as they could. Do what you are going to love, aim high, and know that everything that is cool, fun, sexy, or impressive in the military is going to ask for the most sacrifice from you. The coolest jobs have the longest schools and will be the hardest on your mind, body, soul, and family. With that said, they are often more kinder in the paycheck department when you start addding special pays, incentives, etc.
I would boldly tell you that you aren’t going to get your way, but as a Guardsman, I got everything I wanted. I picked my original MOS, Language, unit. After 10 years I got to pick a career change to Aviation, got to pick my Aircraft. I got “offered” the Fixed-Wing and the Direct Commission thing, but it’s what I wanted to do. Beyond training and deployment, I have spent the last 19 years with the same Home of Record State (address has changed a few times).
Long Story Short... your mil career is a chess game. If you win our lose will be judged by you at the end, but consider all options in your research. As I review my own career, I wouldn’t change a thing. Good Luck!
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You will not get to stay in one place. 12 moves, 22 years. Conus assignments are 3-4 years. Long tours overseas are three. Short tours overseas are 12 months.
Planting yourself can sometimes be done, but with risk. Homesteading can end a career.
Planting yourself can sometimes be done, but with risk. Homesteading can end a career.
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Thank you for your response. It's good to know that being willing to volunteer for relocation can help further my career. Thank you for your service.
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Tom,
A few kindly words of advice; First, it sounds to me like you're facing the age old dilemma-opportunity vs. obligation. Every service member who has tried to balance life and career will probably tell you the same thing; expect your family to make sacrifices for your service. It may sound a little harsh, but the plain and simple truth is that the Military is not a "job" like any other. True, there are ways to reduce the impact...such as considering the National Guard...but that is not in and of itself a "guarantee" that the needs of the Services or your own career progression, won't require you to relocate, deploy, etc.
I've been following some of your other posts as well. Bear in mind that the more you limit your military opportunities for the sake of your family obligations...the fewer options you'll have over time. I believe it is a factual statement that if you enter the Service with this mentality, you may be able to chart a course to retirement, but not as a member of some of the communities you've mentioned.
Remember that there are far more individuals competing for many of these positions than there are available places at the table. No one "selects" something based solely on their scores or preferences...there are training and selection criteria to be met that stand as some of the most competitive on the planet. As with anything in life, you get out what you put in.
Finally, please remember that some questions you're asking would reveal information that should not be shared publicly. My sincere advice would be to contact the appropriate individuals in the recruiting organization and network with current active duty towards learning a broader sense of what you're considering.
Good luck and best wishes!
A few kindly words of advice; First, it sounds to me like you're facing the age old dilemma-opportunity vs. obligation. Every service member who has tried to balance life and career will probably tell you the same thing; expect your family to make sacrifices for your service. It may sound a little harsh, but the plain and simple truth is that the Military is not a "job" like any other. True, there are ways to reduce the impact...such as considering the National Guard...but that is not in and of itself a "guarantee" that the needs of the Services or your own career progression, won't require you to relocate, deploy, etc.
I've been following some of your other posts as well. Bear in mind that the more you limit your military opportunities for the sake of your family obligations...the fewer options you'll have over time. I believe it is a factual statement that if you enter the Service with this mentality, you may be able to chart a course to retirement, but not as a member of some of the communities you've mentioned.
Remember that there are far more individuals competing for many of these positions than there are available places at the table. No one "selects" something based solely on their scores or preferences...there are training and selection criteria to be met that stand as some of the most competitive on the planet. As with anything in life, you get out what you put in.
Finally, please remember that some questions you're asking would reveal information that should not be shared publicly. My sincere advice would be to contact the appropriate individuals in the recruiting organization and network with current active duty towards learning a broader sense of what you're considering.
Good luck and best wishes!
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Thank you for your time, and words of wisdom. I now understand what you mean about how some of my questions could only be answered honestly by revealing sensitive information. I apologise for my naivete. Of course I want to do everything in my power to make a career of the army, and the last thing I would want is to limit my career options because of some pressure from my family. I would ask you for one final bit of advice, in response to one of your comments, if the options I listed would not be ideal for charting a career, what might you suggest I look into?
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Tom-Certainly; I'm happy to help.
Your recruiter can detail the training pipeline for any MOS, rating or other specialty you have an interest in. I won't detail locations, length of training, etc...but in general, you should consider the Military a springboard for the broadening of your skills and experiences.
I suggest you speak with them at length, sign nothing until you have the information to make an informed decision, and ask them the same sorts of questions you're asking here.
One last thought; being a family-man doesn't mean you can't be an excellent Solider, Airman, Sailor or Marine...it just means you have to consider how to balance these competing responsibilities; many of "us" have and do :)
Your recruiter can detail the training pipeline for any MOS, rating or other specialty you have an interest in. I won't detail locations, length of training, etc...but in general, you should consider the Military a springboard for the broadening of your skills and experiences.
I suggest you speak with them at length, sign nothing until you have the information to make an informed decision, and ask them the same sorts of questions you're asking here.
One last thought; being a family-man doesn't mean you can't be an excellent Solider, Airman, Sailor or Marine...it just means you have to consider how to balance these competing responsibilities; many of "us" have and do :)
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You may get lucky and stay in one place for a bit but needs of the military trump any wants of a troop.
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Don't join up- maybe the USAF would let you stagnate somewhere for 20 yrs, but the other forces have no such guarantees. Needs of the service must come 1st.
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Allow me to clarify, I have no problem with moving around. I think it would be a great experience. But i also feel like I would be doing my family a disservice by not investigating possible ways to keep them happy. If the Army wants to send me to Timbuktu, I'd happily go. My family wouldn't be happy, but they would get over it.
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I moved 25 times in my career. It was great and your kids get to see the world. I think you might be looking at moving as bad. It is great and fun. It is a great bonding experience, and your family will have friends worldwide.
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Thank you for your response. All due respect, sir, but I think you may misunderstand what Im asking. It's not that I want to just stay in the same place and do the same job forever. I've been told that some jobs are only stationed in one or two places, but that they deploy all over, especially in SOCOM, and Cyber. I don't want to stay in the same place just for the heck of it, but I would really like to limit the number of times my kids have to relocate. Truthfully, I am open to travelling all over the world with them, but there is pressure from both sides of our family, and even my wife, to try and settle down to an extent. It's good to know that it isn't very feasable for most jobs though.
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Then honestly, this is NOT the job for you. This job REQUIRES you to move constantly. If your family is not ready for that, I suggest like someone else did that you join the National Guard. Kids and families are more resilient than normal civilians give them credit for and are better adjusted than kids that stay in one place their entire life. To have that world view is important in anyone's life. This job is not for everyone, and if your family cant get their head wrapped around that maybe its not for you!!!!!!!! Good luck!!!!!
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SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint
SPC (Join to see) - The military is a job for moving and families move. BE HAPPY that they move. In the Marine Corps , it was often it was a east or west case 2-3 year tour, and than an unaccompanied tour. The Army lets you take your family to Europe and Korea and Japan. Not sure how your parents tried to give you a world view, but military brats are strong and hirable for some of their experience especially if they gain a language. Think Intelligence and Foreign Service. Thinking your wife will melt...women are not that week and you will also learn that in the military.
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MSG (Join to see) - thanks for your words, I suppose i ought to sit down with my wife and family and discuss the matter of moving around. everything I have heard makes me think it would probably behoove me to give my kids the chance to see the world.
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If you’re still looking for an MOS that keeps you stable, look at 37F(Psychological Operations). Our regiment is headquartered at Bragg and you will spend 90% of your career here. Yes there are assignments as planners somewhere else, as well as OCONUS assignments, but you will spend the majority of yoyr time here. If you want anymore information just let me know.
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I can tell you dont do 13P as they are all 13J now. You sit in a truck and compute data for Howitzers. You are the brains of artillery but that also makes you the outcast. There will be no joy, promotions are slower than that of the 13B or the 13F. If i were you and i had to choose for the series, I'd pick one of those as you would see and do a lot more as well as advance quickly through the senior ranks! But at the end of the day, do something that translates well on the outside. The Combat MOSs do nothing for and if you decide the Army is not for you, you have the skills to do something!
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