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MAJ Raymond Haynes
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After being both enlisted and commissioned in the Marine Corps, I transferred to the Army National Guard as a CWO-2. I never really told anybody about my Marine background, but the word seemed to spread throughout the unit. When asked why I transferred from the Marines my standard answer was "To be the best Army Warrant Officer, I can be" I eventually was turned back into a Captain, then promoted to Major, and the same mindset held true. When you make the decision to switch from one service to another, never loose your pride for your former service, but realize that your new service deserves the same respect, pride, and 100% effort, that you put into your original branch. The job you do and the people you lead deserve nothing less, and your professionalism as military member will naturally show through.
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CWO3 Us Marine
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Keep doing what you did to become a Sergeant of Marines and you'll be fine. Professionalism is universal. You will have a learning curve with differences between the two branches, but leadership is the same in any unit. In other words bloom wherever you're planted. Good luck and Semper Fi. Will
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SGT John Wells
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I also went from the Marines to the army. I was surprised to meet many Marines turned soldiers. For most that I've met, including myself, we all still held a lot of pride and respect for the Marine Corps. But also came to love the army as well.
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MSgt Operations Ncoic
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I applaud all the comments. Professionalism, pride, and your "Follow Me" spirit are what your troops deserve. I switched from Army (Infantry and Cav Scout) to Air Force Security Forces. I met many former Soldiers and Marines who also switched; our reasons were sometimes different (RIF, break in service, etc), but everyone who embraced their new service and the cultures that came with it succeeded, those who couldn't let their old service go did not succeed. The best way to honor your previous service is to excel in your new service.
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1SG Patrick Sims
1SG Patrick Sims
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I also went from the Marines to the Army. I'll always be proud I was in the Marines, but everyone I know who made the same transfer never regretted it.
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You'll have to start using silverware in the chow hall.
Grunting, farting and yelling ooorah will no longer pass for intelligent conversation.
Your equipment will no longer be older than you are.
PT will still suck, just in a different way.
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CWO3 Us Marine
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GySgt Gunnar Ulfsax - so you know the deal on Gen Gray, when he had 2d MarDiv he would get in his POV and visit units without aide or staff car and flag, he loved 2d Tank BN for some reason, some nicknamed him Uncle Al the tanker's pal, maybe because he was built like one, he walked up on one kid on the ramp and while the kid was on his back nudged his leg, asked him how he's doing, the kid didn't know who it was so tells him something like F off I'm working here, then he crawls out to see the 2 stars, more than once somebody would run to any given BN's CP telling them a General is walking around on the lot, while at WOBC a classmate, Jerry Kressler had been an armorer (SSgt) at 8th & I before making WO, he said then CMC Gen Gray would get in his station wagon on weekends and drive down to Quantico to fish at lake near Engr Test Branch, no escorts and in blue jeans and floppy fishing hat, it drove the security details nuts but who was going to tell him he couldn't? his house at Marine Barracks is right on the Parade Deck for the Evening Parades, more than once he would be walking around in blue jeans with a Budweiser before folks started arriving for the E. Parade, it was his house and yard so why not? more seriously though he brought back emphasis on every Marine being a rifleman, requiring Company Grade zero's to take the Warfighting PME, rear area units got serious about Rear Area Security with gun teams and the rest, he realized the Corps needed to get back to basics for future war(s) and it turned out to be timely decision
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GySgt Gunnar Ulfsax
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Now that you mention it, I remember how he loved the 2nd Tanks!
If I remember correctly, when I saw him in the field, it was at a "Solid Shield" FX. It's the same year we were pulled from the field to the tarmac for Panama's "Just Cause". I do remember going by an LZ where the Cooks were expecting him to eat while in the field, after talking to a couple Marines there, they said he never set foot inside of it! Anyways, I'm sure there are a lot of stories on him, but yes, he brought the USMC back to our roots! Semper Fi!
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CWO3 Us Marine
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GySgt Gunnar Ulfsax - don't know for fact but the rumor was that soon after becoming CMC he went door to door with a baseball bat at HQMC, asking full bird's what their job was, they'd reply they were deputy to the second guy from the left or similar and he'd tell them BS, get down to Manpower and tell them you need orders to the FMF because your job is leading Marines, he shook up the "run for lunch bunch" also, many would secure for chow mid-morning and return mid afternoon so they could run a daily half-marathon, that came to a screeching halt when he got the word out they could do that on their time because his focus was on load bearing and endurance vice being able to run real fast in PT gear
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GySgt Gunnar Ulfsax
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CWO3- That's too funny! I bet them "full birds" were really crying! Lol
* When we were in Desert Storm, before we went up to the border, we were at a fob by the port, and I remember driving by a full bird, and a major, both sweating like crazy and still filling sand bags. I asked around, and was told that the CG on the fob LOVED to make field grade o's fill sand bags to re-claim their side arms that they "forgot" in the mess hall! Not sure who the CG was there, but he had my respect! Lol
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SSgt Carpenter
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Prior service Marines have been some of the best soldiers I have served with. If you can get over the fact that the Army isn't the Marine Corps, you'll do just fine. In my experience Marines get a little extra respect. The only thing I saw once was a guy who just couldnt shut up about how much better the Marine Corps was. It didn't bother me (my mindset was, "yeah and so are Rangers; but we are what we are,") but some guys got tired of it. I think that was what some of the other comments about not trying to bring the Marine Corps in were angling at.
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Pvt Mark Carroll
Pvt Mark Carroll
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PI 1966 plt 220 the DI's did the job that needed to be done. Take a group of kids, city street punks (like me philly )country boys and misfit young boys. Break them down to a functioning unit as one . In a few short weeks . Knowing a lot of them were goin to VN . And some never coming back . I am here to say SEMPER FI to the DI's
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MAJ Raymond Haynes
MAJ Raymond Haynes
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CWO3 (Join to see) - I went through 1stBN PI 1975, and we were never physically "beaten" by the DI's. I did however for some reason attract the attention of SSGT Watson who would grab the back of my neck and tell me that he could kill me anytime he wanted. He did this from about training day 3 until we graduated, and I ended up the Honorman. Go figure
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CWO3 Us Marine
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Pvt Mark Carroll - The methods are time tested. Strip individuality, tear down the herd until they figure out what survival is about, few rewards but a gradual shift to a team, out of necessity. In quick fashion. Sounds like the same make-up of my Platoon. Old hat to the DIs, they've been doing it for years. SF
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CWO3 Us Marine
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MAJ Raymond Haynes - What made you desert our fine Corps? First BN it figures, mainside near the flagpole...j/k. Congrats you made it and Honor Man, got some Blues out of the deal. One of our hats was Force Recon and had gold wings and scars from Nam. He enjoyed showing me ways he could kill me quietly on free time Sundays. Web belt around my neck crisscrossed with our backs touching. He could bend forward and hold me up for awhile. Very hard to breathe. Just for motivation and good training. He was very quiet but not to be f'ed with, and could just appear on your shoulder without knowing he was there. Scared me shitless once and I knocked iron off but caught it. He barely moved and said "good reflexes" before stalking off. I think he missed Nam. All I got was a stripe. SF
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What should I expect as I transition from the Marines to Army Cav Scouts? What are some do's and don'ts?
SFC Lawrence Born
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The single most outstanding soldier I have ever served with was a prior service Marine rifleman who came in the Army to be a combat medic. We were both support soldiers in a CAV unit and I trusted my medical care to him long before the useless PA we had. He was the absolute epitome of professionalism in every way. He would do anything for HIS troops. I PCS'd and didn't see him for 7 years. Low and behold I get assigned to a SFG(A) Group and am in the office one day when I hear a familiar voice yell "Born?" Holy shit!! He had gone to SFAS, the Q course (18D) and was getting ready to do Team Sergeant time as a SFC(P). Now he is a SGM select and I am more than proud to call him a friend.
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SFC J Fullerton
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For starters, you will need to learn a new lingo as we have a different set of terminology for everything than what you are used to. The only NCO's that you address differently than just "Sergeant" are CPL's, 1SG's, and Sergeant Majors. For the most part though, you will find a lot of things are just the same. You will be welcomed into your unit, and nobody is going to think of you any different for being a prior Marine. In the Army, everybody's shit stinks so there are no superiority complexes (for the most part).
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SGT Gabriel Brown
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Unless you had a massive break in service, then you will absolutely not have to do their basic.
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As prior service attending OSUT/BCT you will have different environment however you will be embedded with the Initial Entry Training (IET) Soldiers. You will fall into the rear of formations, but will take part in all training events as required. We (DS) will expect you and require you to uphold the highest level of respect and military discipline because the IET Soldiers will look at you as "real" Soldiers. If you act like an ass they pick up on it quick. You are very seldom disciplined in the same manner as an IET Soldier unless you seriously earn that type of individual attention from a seriously pissed of DS (not that I'm speaking from personal experience).

You have different sleeping barracks, different personal time, but you are not "free" to roam about BCT/OSUT.

Depending on when and where you end up you'll be briefed on your limits. Oh and if somehow you end up in an integrated element. Yes. There are female DS, it's just Drill Sergeant. Not Sir or Ma'am.
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SFC Federal Agent
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SGT James Gould,
As a current DS, that have had SGTs (prior service branches) come through BCT. Stay Humble, you are being observed closely. You will not be belittled as a normal PVT. unless your a soup sandwich. DS will expect you to mentor and be a good example for the newly recruited.
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Sgt Gustavo Soto
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If you went to Marine boot camp and you had less than a year break in service you will not have to go to Army boot. Especially if your transferring. I didn't have too.
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Don't bring the hardcore mentality that Marines have to the Army. Bring your professionalism.
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CW4 Angel C.
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Great input!
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SSgt G Wingate
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BS comment
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SSgt G Wingate - Bringing professionalism is BS?
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Sgt Gustavo Soto
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Every branch has some bad apples, but in general all have great people. I worked with navy, coast guard, am a Marine but retired Army. Looking back if you were squared away you knew you shit, and busted you ass in your MOS, you got cudos just like any where else.
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SGT Gabriel Brown
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I spent five years in the Marine Corps infantry, two appointments with them, was a contractor in Afghanistan for sometime, and then switched over to Army infantry because I got a wild hair in my ass. What I found is that we are more similar than most Marines would like to admit.

Here are the cons:
The lack of discipline will make your eyeball twitch, hearing people call a staff Sergeant a Sgt will make your head want to explode, and the fratinization problem is enough to make every vein in your neck pop. Couple that with the overwhelming political correctness that plagues the army and you'd think it a recipe for disaster. The esprit de corps varies from unit to unit as opposed to being the same across the board. Some units will have as much ferocity as what you're used to in the Corps Infantry, others will make you want to throw up.

The pros:
Most of them are more curious than anything as to our way of doing things. They want to compare and contrast, figure out what works best, and actually implement it. From my experience, the whole "this is the way we've always done it" doesn't really apply. If something can be done better or more effectively then they're all about it. They also have quite a few tricks of their own that will surprise you. Sure, you'll get a lot of crayon eating jokes etc., but it's all in good fun. I don't think I have ever had anybody talk crap and actually mean it. Their equipment is good to go, and the first time you pull a 240L out of grease you'll know what heaven feels like. They really seem to appreciate the specialized infantry MOS expertise that we bring over, and will pick your brain for knowledge.

One interesting side effect that I had, was that I developed a profound respect for squared away soldier. In the Marine Corps, you don't really have a choice but to be squared away. The ramifications for not being squared away are usually very drastic. That being said, it's not the same in the army. You can be a complete turd And still manage to have a career that ends after 20 years and a rocker or two. That being said, when you see it squared away soldier know this: he squared away because he chose to be. He's made a conscious effort to hold the standard even though he could get by without doing so. To me, this garners a whole new level of respect. It's by their own sheer dedication of will that they're squared away, and speaks volumes about their character.

You will find that Spc's are just Lances with a better paycheck, but are up to their usual shenanigans. And just like lances, they are the backbone of the unit. The mafia (the underground) will know what's shaking and moving, and will make or break a squad.

It's going to take you a minute to break the habits that the Marine Corps has instilled in you. After all, you were indoctrinated. Not all of it will fade, try to make sure that it's the good parts that don't. Most likely, you'll find another prior Marine in your unit, and he'll help you through your transition. Also, you're awards will all transfer over, but the order of them may vary slightly.

All in all, it will likely be a positive experience. I was by no means a motard in he Corps, but to the army I certainly was at first. It's that different. You just have to tone it down to right about where you feel like you'd get lifed out in the Corps. That seems to be where the army is comfortable.

Your professionalism (proper greeting of the day, Marine Customs and courtesies) will be a bit foreign to them, but they will appreciate it. I still call Ssgt By his full rank. They'll tell you not to, but once I explained that being a Staff NCO is a big deal, and that I feel disrespectful when calling them just Sgt, they understood and actually liked it. I think they liked the fact that it was recognized And respected as an accomplishment worth differentiating. Also, don't freak out when you see Staff NCOs that are squad leaders. This is normal in the Army. Freaked me out to see a Ssgt holding a billet that was typically held by Lcpls and Cpls.

A few last notes: they call their poncho liner a "Woobie". It's the dumbest damn thing. I've been converting them as steadily as I can though.

That's all I've got. Good luck.
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Cpl Christian Johnson
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You pretty much summed up my experience. Except for the fact that saluting indoors and in PT gear never felt right.
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SGT Gabriel Brown
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CPT Lawrence Cable by fratinization I mean amongst ranks. You would never see a Ssgt and a Lcpl, or even a Cpl being on casual conversational terms with very few exceptions. The same goes for officers, you would never see an LT BSing with lower enlisted.
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SGT Gabriel Brown
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Cpl Christian Johnson I forgot about those lol. Asking what the time on deck was always confused them, and saying "Aye Ssgt" did as well lol
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CPT Lawrence Cable
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SGT Gabriel Brown - That differs a lot between units and types of units. 3rd ID in Germany, the lines between enlisted, junior NCO's, Senior NCO's, Company Grade Officer and Field Grade Officers were very distinct. I'm all for discipline, but beyond a certain point stratification interferes with operation efficiency. My platoon sergeant and first sergeant and I would even use our first names when not in front of the troops and I never felt that lessened my authority. In Infantry Companies/platoons, or Combat Engineer Companies/platoons, you live in such close proximity in the field not have a conversation would be difficult.
I still think we should adopt calling NCO's by their full rank.
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SSG Erik McKinster
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Was good to go for me... Got dinged at BNCOC (Staff NCO school) for having a Marine "twang" when I called cadance, but my soldiers loved it.

Minor stuff, yes terminology. Greeting of the day isn't Good morning sir, but the units motto, Hooah, etc... Going Cav scout means you'll need to make sure your purse matches your shoes... Or you could be a FiSTer... LMAO. Good luck brother.
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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@SSG Erik McKinster One of my friends went USMC-Kiddie Cruise, SeaBee and SGT-5 into CAARNG, retiring as a COL. Now, with Dementia, he has probably lost that USMC "Twang".
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SPC John Parmenter
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My unit had a former Marine Corps captain who riffed to Army & later became a first-sergeant of an Infantry company. He also called cadence in the odd U.S.M.C. manner.
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GySgt Charles O'Connell
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Don't!
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Thanks Gunny Semper Fi.
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SGT Arthur Gnos
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You likely have heard the tune "Garry Owen"; read the lyrics, compare them to "Fiddler's Green" shown above. In my experience, there has never been trouble with your direction of migration; the reverse might well be impossible/lethal as Cav scouts do not respond well to rigid rules or bureaucracy...
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Sgt METOC Analyst Forecaster
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Typical gunny lol... I miss those guys...
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Andruw Bensinger
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Nice to relax after 5 years of being squared away ig
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First, get commissioned as fast as you can, your Marine background will definitely make you an asset to any unit. Be ready for the comments " You know better than that" every time you make a mistake so you dont get to use the excuse of LT didn't know. Other than that, what appears to be really easy to take the initiative and get it done becomes a bureaucracy in some units or people look at you like they never thought of it. Get used the to the whining about how tough things are and soldiers get upset when you yell at them or get the hand going. Also, things have to be fair and everyone gets put on work detail instead of the lowest ranking soldiers. On the bright side you will be sought after for tactics and ability to look at a map and provide an accurate assessment of what the enemy is going to do. Oh one other thing it took me 3 years to get the attitude toned down. You are either going to love it or hate it. Good luck.
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Thank you sir, I appreciate it.
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SGT Gabriel Brown
SGT Gabriel Brown
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I agree with everything he said. You will be viewed as an asset for sure on tactics, and will find yourself advising quite a bit if you weren't a crap Marine and you know your stuff. Not sure what your MOS was in the Corps, but if it's a direct Lyly reteable one, this will be the case. If you used to be supply or something, don't be surprised if you find yourself in that role in addition to what you joined for.
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SGT Gabriel Brown
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Man, I'm really fat fingering my text today.
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