Posted on May 8, 2015
What should I expect at Warrant Officer Candidate School?
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I've heard the "physical fitness, road marching with heavy equipment and the time management" piece. Honestly, I am not too worried about that department. People also say study up on land nav because it gets a lot of people, yet I was told by current WOs that it is a self correcting course.. how do you fail that?
I guess what I am asking is what else should I expect at Warrant School?
I guess what I am asking is what else should I expect at Warrant School?
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I believe I'm too far removed to provide accurate feedback on the current course. I would say expect to be treated like a private. Understand that there is a finite amount of time that you will be there and there is a goal at the end. From every experience you go through there is good and bad everywhere, so learn and take away from the course what you want and discard the rest. I've seen some people quit, as they are thinking in the moment and not the future of their Army career. Go to the school, lead and be led, and then be welcomed to the best groups of brothers and sisters the Army has. Best military decision I ever made.
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Expect to lose 6 weeks that you can never get back. Half way through, I realized that these classes were all the same classes I'd gotten in PLDC. Essentially, it was a 6-week hazing session, made tolerable only because I knew I'd be going to Flight School when it was over.
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Totally agree. As a walking warrant, this is the last chance the army has to mess with you. As an aviator, this is the gateway to a flight job. Either outcome is well worth 6 weeks of anything. Keep that mentality when you get to SERE, pilots, and you'll do just fine.
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Gentlemen, thank you for the replies. I fully expected never getting these weeks back. Drill Sergeant school was the same way. Flight school will definitely keep me going. Is and always has been a dream of mine.
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Academically, I didn't think it was that bad. I enjoyed the history classes immensely. On a personal level, the hardest part was learning to live with 100 other people again.
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Just finished and 100% correct, a big review of PLDC/WLC/BLC with a pretty overgeneralized view of US military history. "The Nazis were bad. Any questions on WWII? OK moving on!"
They still do "Rhabdo Day" to start it off even with COVID (they call it integration day or something to keep it legal...lol).
They still do "Rhabdo Day" to start it off even with COVID (they call it integration day or something to keep it legal...lol).
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Take your time on the DL portion. If you fail, it counts as a failure when you get to Fort Rucker.
Watch this to help: https://www.facebook.com/USAWOCC/videos/ [login to see] 48512
Then go to CandidateNet to find out what you need to do:
https://www.milsuite.mil/book/community/spaces/apf/usawocc/warrant_officer_career_college
Watch this to help: https://www.facebook.com/USAWOCC/videos/ [login to see] 48512
Then go to CandidateNet to find out what you need to do:
https://www.milsuite.mil/book/community/spaces/apf/usawocc/warrant_officer_career_college
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CW5 Jim Steddum
Remember, that the firehose of training and education you will receive is a final "interview." Enjoy your time, it will go quickly.
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Thank you for the replies, gentlemen. I'll definitely ensure that I am ready before I get there. I believe I am now, but I can only get better.
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Definitely take your time on the DL. I scored a 96 and an 88 on the 2 DL exams. At the end of WOCS, for the 5 exams, I had an average of 93.4. I made the Commandant's List, but would have been Honor Grad or DHG if I had scored higher on that second exam. The HG had the same academic average as I did, but his PT average was a 100 and mine was a 91.
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Phil,
If you just got off the trail, I don't think you will have a problem. Know what you are good at, admit your weaknesses, and find someone in your class to help you. If you are terrible at writing memos, first, sucks to be you, second, find some 420A in your class or the next best thing who is awesome at it and get all the info you can from them. Being a WO is all about helping your fellow WO's get their job done. Tech, AV, doesn't matter. We just don't let other WO's fail, period.
Maximize your own time for your own improvement, but always make sure you are doing your part so the group meets the standard first.
For me, I latched on to the Intel and Signal folks. They were some of the smartest people I had come across in a military school. I was, and am still proud to know them.
If you just got off the trail, I don't think you will have a problem. Know what you are good at, admit your weaknesses, and find someone in your class to help you. If you are terrible at writing memos, first, sucks to be you, second, find some 420A in your class or the next best thing who is awesome at it and get all the info you can from them. Being a WO is all about helping your fellow WO's get their job done. Tech, AV, doesn't matter. We just don't let other WO's fail, period.
Maximize your own time for your own improvement, but always make sure you are doing your part so the group meets the standard first.
For me, I latched on to the Intel and Signal folks. They were some of the smartest people I had come across in a military school. I was, and am still proud to know them.
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Thanks a lot for the info. I'm pretty decent with memos now. Of course I can only get better. Working with officers all day will help me out too.
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I am chiming in late, but seriously as a SSG it is merely being able to swallow the pill. The pill is being at the bottom of the totem pole and having to get past the gatekeepers yet once again (usually the first one is your drill sergeant at basic). It is Army, everyone has said the courses and academics are in line with what one knows as a NCO before getting there. It was the best physical fitness of my 28 years to date, being ready for that is essential for survival. Being able to read, comprehend and follow written directions also (some actually lack at application). Just enjoy the time, you will be glad its over when done and share what you experienced after graduation here so everyone can benefit from your turn at WOCS.
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Just show up ready to run everywhere and do repetitive exercises of patience and futility for no reason in particular. Bring extra PTs, and don't sweat the little things. If you don't know land nav by now, no amount of studying is going to make you any better at it. I found the course particularly easy, but we lost 15% of our class to it (2/3 of them ended up passing second time around)
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I agree with everything you said, and that is how I've prepared for any school my entire career. I've never had an issue with Land Navigation, however, it is the only event that you really can have "a bad day" with. That and maybe PT. Maybe that is why I am nervous about it. I will continue to practice, regardless. Do you remember if the course was self correcting or not? That would ease my anxiety tenfold.
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It is 100% not self correcting, however you do get a crack at the course the day before you actually do it for standard.
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For the Land Nav portion, it is a breeze. If a reservist like me can beat a Ranger and a Sapper, I think it should be easy!
But, soldiers do fail. You are not allowed to talk to anyone, you must stay off the paths, and you must find the correct points. There will be some confusion out there, but that is normal. The time limit is also key. You must hit around 1800-2000m in less that 2 hours. Sounds easy, but the school makes it difficult.
Best advice I can give you is to brush up on how to plot points, get a really good pace count, and work on your "range walk".
Good luck Candidate!!
But, soldiers do fail. You are not allowed to talk to anyone, you must stay off the paths, and you must find the correct points. There will be some confusion out there, but that is normal. The time limit is also key. You must hit around 1800-2000m in less that 2 hours. Sounds easy, but the school makes it difficult.
Best advice I can give you is to brush up on how to plot points, get a really good pace count, and work on your "range walk".
Good luck Candidate!!
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Thanks for the reply, Chief. I believe I'll be fine for Land Nav. Of course, I'll still prepare myself, regardless. How was the school in general? I mean, I don't know what you could compare it too. I've been to Drill Sergeant School and heard that it is along those lines as far as how you are treated.
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Man, the RP mobile app is a pain! There is a whole new crop of TACs there at WOCS. They are going to facilitate your transition from NCO to Warrant. They will get you 50% of the way there. The rest is up to you and your Mentors. Do not expect the school to teach you "how to be an Officer." I highly suggest MEMORIZING the WOC SOP. It will make life a little easier.
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Hey everyone,
Just letting you know I was selected for the Warrant Officer board! Thanks for all the input!
Just letting you know I was selected for the Warrant Officer board! Thanks for all the input!
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CW2(P) (Join to see) ...So how about an update. How did WOCS compare with your expectations?
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All the comments above were basically correct. The only thing I'll add is that it's the easiest school in the army if you can deal with dumb s*it. Nothing is hard what so ever. Land nav is a freebee if you have a brain, PT is easy, the tests are easier than the online ones you take before you get there. There really is no stress if you can deal with their games.
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Expect they will make you feel uncomfortable, really tired, and challenge your decision to become a WO. Other than that have fun. Not knowing is half the fun. Oh and it is not a self correcting course; just listen to the instructors and do as they say.
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