Posted on Aug 3, 2014
What should you do about NCOs bad-mouthing NCOs?
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I have a dilemma and I've been scratching up information from my personal NCOs and those around me to ease into how this should be handled and I've been told a couple things, but I figured I should drop a question to the masses because of your time in service and wisdom.
The most difficult part of this is that the NCO who made these comments is the PSG and did so in front of half the platoon. He's my PSG, which means any further moves could be career damaging...
—• Who should I talk to?
I went to an NCO I could trust and he suggested talking to our EO rep.
I went to the EO rep and he said that they don't have EO "set up" in our unit and BN doesn't either, so there hasn't been pressure to really step it up...?
I digress. I've been thinking about taking it to our 1SG on open door and asking for guidance, but I'm hesitant to mess intra-chain because, again- career path.
The things said were vile and extremely racial and sexist and this is far from the first time, but this past range was absolutely inexcusable; the foul spite that he's been vomiting from this nonsense dumpster as a "leader" is mind-boggling.
It was also suggested that I contact IG, because of the size of our unit, being one of the biggest in the Reserves.
Thoughts?
The most difficult part of this is that the NCO who made these comments is the PSG and did so in front of half the platoon. He's my PSG, which means any further moves could be career damaging...
—• Who should I talk to?
I went to an NCO I could trust and he suggested talking to our EO rep.
I went to the EO rep and he said that they don't have EO "set up" in our unit and BN doesn't either, so there hasn't been pressure to really step it up...?
I digress. I've been thinking about taking it to our 1SG on open door and asking for guidance, but I'm hesitant to mess intra-chain because, again- career path.
The things said were vile and extremely racial and sexist and this is far from the first time, but this past range was absolutely inexcusable; the foul spite that he's been vomiting from this nonsense dumpster as a "leader" is mind-boggling.
It was also suggested that I contact IG, because of the size of our unit, being one of the biggest in the Reserves.
Thoughts?
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If you feel as strongly about the words that this NCO expressed, then I would charge you to report it. If you went to EO and was told what you wrote above, that is very disheartening. IG is an option, but as a former 1SG, I would like to be informed of something of this nature within my ranks. Utilize the open policy with your 1SG. Afford your 1SG and CDR the opportunity to fix the situation. If that does not work, then you can move further up your chain to BN/SQDN level.
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SSG Dennis Wood
CPO Donald Crisp - of course it is all encompassing for all branches. Just in the habit of writing Army.
And as you stated some battles do pick you. The hard right is always more difficult than the easy wrong. I would rather my career when it was concluded (mine has) be something I could look back on with pride rather a few years where I turned a blind eye to a racist turd.
And as you stated some battles do pick you. The hard right is always more difficult than the easy wrong. I would rather my career when it was concluded (mine has) be something I could look back on with pride rather a few years where I turned a blind eye to a racist turd.
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CPO Zack Lindsey
Well it sounds. To me you have made your mind up all ready and if not and if it IS as bad as you say it IS you is. Maybe talk to him one on one with your phone on and tell him what he did was not what a NCO and he should now in front the same way he talked down he needs to say he was wrong or you are going to go higher up, no matter the out come of your discussion with him today. And if he is worth his weight of his strips he will see is wrong doing? And eat some shoe leather and the troopers will also willl see a better leader in him as well. However when you talk to him talk to him one on one and not in a yelling match I think it will go better for you.
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SSG Melvin Nulph
SSG (Join to see) - Nothing better than the NCO Support Channel when you have respect for your 1SG. Although he/she isn't God, they can be the next best thing here on earth. Hope you get this taken care of without any loose respect for your PSG and vise versa.
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Lt Col Charlie Brown
As a former commander and a previous social actions/EO, I would eant the opportunity for the Shirt and I do deal with this. And we would! If you have confidence in them, give it to them to deal with. The IG can be contacted if that doesn't work.
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I had a situation one time when I was a Marine Recruiter. The offending person was my SNCOIC of my RSS. Because of the small size of our office (4 Marines) and our RS (maybe 40 Marine NCO's), and out of fear of reprisal, I called a former mentor of mine who had been my Battery 1stSgt when I was a Sgt. When I called him, he was serving as the SgtMaj of an Infantry Battalion at LeJeune. I called him and told him my problem and explained my concerns and broke all the details out on him. We talked maybe an hour. He was asking me questions and thinking how to handle it. He said he would call me back in an hour. He called back and asked if i knew my current SgtMaj at the RS, which I did. He asked me if I trusted him. I said "should I?" The 2 of them had been 1stSgt'sntogether for a time in the BLT we were deployed with. My mentor said to expect a call from my actual SgtMaj to call. He called and asked if I could come to RS HQ undetected. I did, went in a room with him, a JAG, and the Ops Officer. They asked me my stories, and I told the my stories. The offender was immediately removed, barred from contact with anybody in the command, and he lost his 8412 Career Recruiter MOS and position. Long story, but find a high ranking mentor of yours and ask them to work behind the scenes. Those old mentors are that for a reason. Good luck with your problem.
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Sgt,
Without knowing the details. Your 1SG did not get their rank and position by accident, respectively seek their guidance.
Without knowing the details. Your 1SG did not get their rank and position by accident, respectively seek their guidance.
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