Posted on Oct 28, 2021
What type of discharge should I expect for refusing the covid vaccine?
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I have no negative marks on my record and have been in the army for over two years.
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So all of the shots/vaccinations that the military has given you already and you didn't even know what some of them were or the background information or history of each one.... But this one (Covid vaccine) is different and a major problem??? A big enough problem for you to lose all or some of your VA benefits and/or sacrifice a career if you were planning on staying in? I don't get it.
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CPL Tom Walker
PO1 Todd B. - Covid is a pandemic, meaning it isn't confined to the United States. Neither would incidence be of people finding vaccinations unavailable or avoiding them. My number is worldwide, not just the United States.
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PO1 Todd B.
CPL Tom Walker - So then, check your numbers against Heart Disease and Cancer worldwide. Covid does not even make the top 10 list of overall deaths from the CDC. This was not a pandemic. It was a panic - demic by the left. Plain and simple. And when the actual scientist that INVENTED and created the mRNA sequencing used, came out PUBLIC (you can look up his press conference with a search) and said this was NEVER intended to be used in this fashion on humans.. Well, you do what you want. Me? I refused and I continue to refuse. As do a whole lot of other military and veterans.
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Amn Joseph H.
Pretty sure they do not anymore Tom, these folks frighten by the right really should not be allowed to serve here if thire individual preferences endangers the team, period. But these questions are not worthy of veterans time and efforts that toed that line. Might not have liked being screamed at, or pushed passed a civilian limit. But at 17 the physical part was easy, 5th generation Irishamerican veteran made me know I would be with those that showed up for the responsibility, to mature. And right off the sargents taught us what real equality was, treating everybody like shit, for a while:) And that a team was only as strong as its weakest link. Individualism or group necessity. That the worst people I served with are still more important to me than all the civilians I,ve known because we depended on each other, civilians haven't a clue. If you serve leave the religions and cult shit at home, believe me, it will still be there when you return:)
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While I understand your concern with this shot, and now that I’m retired I no longer have a dog in this hunt, but when you raise your right hand to enlist you give up many of the rights you had as a civilian and vaccinations is one of them. My professional opinion to you is to suck it up and complete your enlistment and ETS honorably, otherwise get out and show potential employers you quit when you don't like something!
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PO1 Todd B.
SPC Mark Marquette - Anyone that claims to have "great common sense" is clearly someone that has no clue. I am not going to sit here and argue with an unarmed man. Go troll someone else now.
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SPC Mark Marquette
PO1 Todd B. - You're a real piece... Trump-lover? Conspiracy theorist? You sure talk like one. So feeble: pick on the one thing I say that has no immediately showable data (my resume would) to even TRY to actually debate the stuff you put down. So, so typical GOP, attack that, ignore the FACTUAL things I put out, you don't dare try to hold any rational discussion. I showed I HAVE far better understanding of these than you, because I AM/WAS a professional! You're all MOUTH! Unless you "show your work". Where's your "expert"? Afraid of the challenge, so you won't say?
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PO1 Todd B.
SPC Mark Marquette - Nah, just tired of your liberal leftist bullshit. I am independent btw but nice try with your attempted insult. You types always resort to that argument.. You really should get that looked at however.. having Trump living in your head rent free all these years later is not a good sign...
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SPC Mark Marquette
MSG Harvey Kane - PERFECT rebuttal! See, guys? If you have proof: SHOW IT! End of arguement.
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As it stands now, they will all be categorized as general under honorable.
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Soldiers who refuse could face "administrative or non-judicial punishment [under the Uniform Code of Military Justice] -- to include relief of duties or discharge," according to the new Army guidelines obtained by Military.com.
Administrative action includes initiating what is called a General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand, or GOMOR, for all refusals without an allowed exemption. The reprimand is widely seen as a military career killer but can, under certain circumstances, be tossed from a soldier's record.
All judicial action will be launched by colonels in a soldier's chain of command, or a general in units without a colonel.
Soldiers who have pending decisions on medical or religious exemptions will not face any adverse action.
EDIT:
Soldiers who refuse could face "administrative or non-judicial punishment [under the Uniform Code of Military Justice] -- to include relief of duties or discharge," according to the new Army guidelines obtained by Military.com.
Administrative action includes initiating what is called a General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand, or GOMOR, for all refusals without an allowed exemption. The reprimand is widely seen as a military career killer but can, under certain circumstances, be tossed from a soldier's record.
All judicial action will be launched by colonels in a soldier's chain of command, or a general in units without a colonel.
Soldiers who have pending decisions on medical or religious exemptions will not face any adverse action.
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CPT Joe Jefferson
Maj Joan Marine - that is incorrect and inaccurate information. Did YOU refuse the vaccine as an officer?
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Maj Joan Marine
I retired before COVID came around but yes I would have refused an Emergency Use Authorized vaccine if it wasn't proven to PREVENT an illness. It is an unlawful order when it goes against the GC rules. Would you drink poison if told to do it...not knowing what kind of harm would result?
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Dude, it's not that big of a deal. Just get the fucking shot.
Coming from a vaccinated republican.
No idea why everyone is going nuts over this.
Coming from a vaccinated republican.
No idea why everyone is going nuts over this.
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SPC Jeremy A
Capt Gregory Prickett - Pissing contests on the internet are a general concern, not so much specific to this interaction. How you deal with your identity on the internet is your decision, mine is to protect as much personally identifying information as possible. Both positions boil down to personal choice.
I appreciate you taking the time to read and process it in the wall of text.
I appreciate you taking the time to read and process it in the wall of text.
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SPC Mark Marquette
MSgt Robert "Rock" Aldi - To: SPC Jeremy A. It is a quantum leap from a PA to an expert in viruses, and epidemiology, and...
On what expertise and evidence are you basing this accusation, and what "smell test" are you expert with that isn't passing?
OH, OK: "The guy who had a huge hand..." C'mon, don't be a wimp! Name Bill Gates!
On what expertise and evidence are you basing this accusation, and what "smell test" are you expert with that isn't passing?
OH, OK: "The guy who had a huge hand..." C'mon, don't be a wimp! Name Bill Gates!
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What are your specific reasons for refusing a very safe, effective, and approved vaccine that saves lives? Over 763,000 Americans have died. Companies in the civilian world are also requiring folks to have the vaccine.
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SPC Mark Marquette
SN Walt Boyer - Did your research, using medical terms like "myocarditis"? Well, did you happen to read up on that? It happens in young people with infections, anyway, to a certain % of cases. So,you're waving a red herring!
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SN Walt Boyer
SPC Mark Marquette according to the documented peer reviewed truth, myocarditis has increased in young people by over 300% post jab mandate. Also "Sudden Death Syndrome" seems to be an affliction among those that championed the jab and mask mandates as well as jumping on the booster bandwagon.
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SN Walt Boyer
SPC Mark Marquette if you are keeping up with the medical studies being released you will see how out of touch from reality your comment is.
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The whole idea of mandating someone in the military is absurd to me... When l served, we didnt get the option to refuse such things... it's just do it... it should be part of the initial shot indocting and not be able to waive a pink flag because someone feels they are getting their feelings hurt... just get the stupid shot... it's not that hard to do!
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SPC Jeremy A
Capt Gregory Prickett - I'd guess I spent as much time in a law school as you've spent in Parasitology and Vector Biology labs. So No I don't. You win this time Prickett
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Capt Gregory Prickett
SPC Jeremy A - I don't claim that I know anything about either of those subjects.
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SPC Victoria Coe
PV2 Doug Woodin then why volunteer for military service if you want to do your own thing? It has been well shown that those in the military are guinea pigs...nothing new, so why now woth the covid vaccine? I don't necessarily agree with being a guinea pig, but I signed the papers just like the rest of those who are currently serving, no one was forced to join in today's military. Just saying...
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Honorable sounds like the right discharge to me - of course, if Democrats have their way, and you don't take the jab, you'd get a dishonorable discharge (and before anybody busts my chops, I know the only way you can get a DD is through a General Court-Martial conviction - I was a legal clerk seven years).
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SPC Jeremy A
CMSgt Elbert E. Clayton - I'd remind you again that this discussion is regarding military aged people. If that's your last word then here are mine to you.
YOU have the same mindset as military leadership has right now. YOU ARE NOT LISTENING that the science is different for this vaccine. "I got all mine and you're a pantywaist if you don't get all of yours" is NOT showing that you're REALLY doing your "duty to consider people under their command as a whole". It's just not.
In all seriousness, please keep on doing what's best for you, your family and those around you. I sincerely believe that you are.
YOU have the same mindset as military leadership has right now. YOU ARE NOT LISTENING that the science is different for this vaccine. "I got all mine and you're a pantywaist if you don't get all of yours" is NOT showing that you're REALLY doing your "duty to consider people under their command as a whole". It's just not.
In all seriousness, please keep on doing what's best for you, your family and those around you. I sincerely believe that you are.
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SGT Jose Rosa
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Gonna need you to cite a source on this being the most dangerous vaccine. As well as out into context that relative danger.
Because this post seems misinformed to me.
Gonna need you to cite a source on this being the most dangerous vaccine. As well as out into context that relative danger.
Because this post seems misinformed to me.
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You can't get an honorable for failure to follow a direct order.
You'd probably get a General Administrative discharge
You'd probably get a General Administrative discharge
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SPC John Tacetta
SGT (Join to see) - Service members are governed by an entirely separate legal system: the UCMJ. You left the USC and a good portion of the Constitution behind when you signed on the dotted line.
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Wow - you should all be embarrassed for treating this soldier so badly in these comments for asking a simple administrative question. If you're so tough, how about moving on without spewing a hissy fit when you see an opinion you disagree with? SPC Adams hopefully you've gotten your question answered!
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I agree, but if the author really want the true legalities of his choices, he should go to the ADC, rather than armchair quarterbacks for their opinions. And yes, I threw in my two-cent opinion earlier.
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I see lots of assumptions about the vaccine and questions about conduct in this thread and I’d like to provide a different perspective. In 1990-91 hundreds of thousands of military members were given meds and vaccines that were being administered off label but were “safe” and thought effective for the military purpose. Today 300,000 US, over 50,000 UK as well as thousands of French and Canadian vets suffer from GWS. In the US somewhere around 100k are reported to have debilitating disease. Nexus letters written by VA docs currently clearly state that the cause of the illness is vaccines, medications and possibly exposure to chemical warfare agents. In the 90s vets groups and vets fault long and hard to be sure such experimental meds were never used on troops again. The results can be seen in Doe v Rumsfeld filed
In 2004. I saw one post here in a different thread indicating Doe was not valid law, but I cannot find any place where it was overturned. Doe MAY be distinguishable because the issue revolved around a vaccine that was approved but not for purpose (see GWI) and through a process where the FDA did not follow its own procedures. I said MAY be distinguishable because these vaccines were not approved through the FDAs “usual” processes. Phase 3 trials were truncated among other issues which all made sense for high risk populations. Does it meet the criteria applied under Doe v Rumsfeld? Only the Courts can and ultimately will decide. Finally not all military docs are on board with this by the way. An Army flight surgeon has had to ground pilots as a result of vaccine side effects and when she raised these issues to the CoC she was shuffled off to a corner and told to shut up. She is now a whistle blower raising the issues through that venue. A Navy Surgeon has likewise gone public with similar concerns. So these questions are not nearly as cut and dry as thought. BTW GWS was officially recognized in 1996 by the US Congress as a presumptive illness, by the CDC and by the Kansas protocol used by VA - yet gulf vets still have a difficult time getting care or benefits of any type - with the GAO stating they between 83 and 92% of diagnosed GWS claims are still denied service connection in spite of presumptive connection legislation, solid diagnosis, frequently by VA docs and decades of supporting research. So if you are thinking that any vaccine issues will be covered you need to research how the military circles it’s wagons to absolutely insure it never admits it’s mistakes. For reference compare the 83% denial of these presumptive conditions with the 30% denial rate for all other claims.
In 2004. I saw one post here in a different thread indicating Doe was not valid law, but I cannot find any place where it was overturned. Doe MAY be distinguishable because the issue revolved around a vaccine that was approved but not for purpose (see GWI) and through a process where the FDA did not follow its own procedures. I said MAY be distinguishable because these vaccines were not approved through the FDAs “usual” processes. Phase 3 trials were truncated among other issues which all made sense for high risk populations. Does it meet the criteria applied under Doe v Rumsfeld? Only the Courts can and ultimately will decide. Finally not all military docs are on board with this by the way. An Army flight surgeon has had to ground pilots as a result of vaccine side effects and when she raised these issues to the CoC she was shuffled off to a corner and told to shut up. She is now a whistle blower raising the issues through that venue. A Navy Surgeon has likewise gone public with similar concerns. So these questions are not nearly as cut and dry as thought. BTW GWS was officially recognized in 1996 by the US Congress as a presumptive illness, by the CDC and by the Kansas protocol used by VA - yet gulf vets still have a difficult time getting care or benefits of any type - with the GAO stating they between 83 and 92% of diagnosed GWS claims are still denied service connection in spite of presumptive connection legislation, solid diagnosis, frequently by VA docs and decades of supporting research. So if you are thinking that any vaccine issues will be covered you need to research how the military circles it’s wagons to absolutely insure it never admits it’s mistakes. For reference compare the 83% denial of these presumptive conditions with the 30% denial rate for all other claims.
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SGT Mike Ange I appreciate you posting these eloquently worded replies and research links. Hopefully some of the troops will do their own pertinent research and maybe save themselves from the jab. Supervisory pressure just makes some people ask the right questions. We may never get the truth, but maybe we can save some troops from getting these 100% disability ratings from health complications they received. I’d trade it all for my health any day, but I’m doing my best to take responsibility for my health and have survived Covid and donate plasma to pass on my immunity so others may live as well.
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