Posted on Oct 28, 2021
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I have no negative marks on my record and have been in the army for over two years.
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CPO Kim Hanthorn
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HONORABLE! End of story.
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SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres
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In my opinion, it's equivalent to refusing a lawful order. You should obtain the same consequences with one caveat. You are directly interfering with training, combat a/o mission-readiness, and potentially killing other Soldiers - damaging federal property. So, it's quite serious and should be more than OTH discharge. However, most likely you and others will obtain the OTH discharge as no one wants this to lead to a revolt.
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PO1 Harvey Easton
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You do you. Best luck in the future shipmate. As far as what type of discharge, it will be a very neutral administrative separation. You wont lose 2nd amendment rights, you will still qualify for government jobs. Best of luck young man.
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PO1 Kevin Dougherty
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So many so quick to judge and condemn. Sad really, especially in light of growing evidence bringing both the efficacy and safety to question. Maybe instead of a rush to judgement maybe someone could try to answer the OP's question. None have passed the kind of rigorous trials demanded for most medicines, to date, there have been no long term trials, the very fact that the drug companies demanded they be exempted from all liability for the "vaccines" should tell you something. The anthrax vaccine was mentioned by some, probably not the best example of why a person should just submit given the number of long term side effects likely linked to it.
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Col Colonel, Chief Nurse
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Did you just want out or did you really just not want the jab. Ever try anthrax shot?
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SSG(P) Squad Leader
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My understanding is General discharge.
I personally had serious adverse reaction to my second dose. Myocarditis, specifically. I'm recovering and show no sign of it now, but I went from ranger school ready in October to barely finishing my 2 mile in 20 minutes today.
So i get your reservations for this one. I had the same ones and i am suffering the consequences of my decision.
I'll tell you the same thing I told my joes, Your reasons for choosing to or not are none of my business, but be ready to take the consequences on the chin.
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PFC David Tomlinson
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I'm confused with this new army. When I was in basic, I got more shot than I could count, no one asked. When I deployed to Korea, I got more, no one asked. I got what I was ordered to get, when I was ordered to get it. Otherwise I would have been discharged. I'm pretty sure the same applies for you.

Your resistance to health care can only be attributable to politics, bad and dangerous politics. As such, I can only hope that you get an OTH discharge.
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SPC Jeremy A
SPC Jeremy A
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SGT (Join to see) - OH so since we're copy/pasting, let's do this!
How did you pass the NCO boards without being able to distinguish "MODIFICATION" from "MANIPULATION"? I never said anything was permanently changed. That's a BAD FAITH post there (Verify To See).
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PFC David Tomlinson
PFC David Tomlinson
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SPC Jeremy A - Unless I am violating some pedant's rule, your basic premise is bullshit. Just more fear-peddling...

"mRNA, was discovered in the early 1960s; research into how mRNA could be delivered into cells was developed in the 1970s"

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines#:~:text=Messenger%20RNA%2C%20or%20mRNA%2C%20was,was%20developed%20in%20the%201970s.
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SPC Jeremy A
SPC Jeremy A
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PFC David Tomlinson - Look, I honestly don't have the time or energy (or had the wherewithal to save standard responses to the same 4 counter points). If it's important to you, please check my history. I've got at least one but probably more posts in here that has the specific timelines for mRNA clinical work and trials AND timelines for the encapsulation technology that delivers the mRNA. They have only been used TOGETHER recently. NONE if it was 60's/70's (or 80's and I THINK not even 90's) as your article would suggest.
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SPC Jeremy A
SPC Jeremy A
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PFC David Tomlinson - Found a post myself: First CLINICAL TRIAL (not approval) for mRNA vaccines with influenza was in 2015, first LIPID (non mRNA) APPROVED was in 2018. Moderna/Pfizer is the first lipid bilayer delivered mRNA vaccine APPROVED and that was 2020 with an EMERGENCY approval.
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SPC Patricia  K. (Williams) Elliott
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Since when has a soldier had a choice when it came to vaccines?? When I was in you got the vaccines or you faced an Article 15 or discharge! I don't understand what the problem is! I've gotten both COVID vaccines and last week the booster. No side effects of any kind except a sore arm which I always get when I get the flu shot!
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SPC Jeremy A
SPC Jeremy A
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Apart from your 'sample size of 1', you should consider that NONE of those other shots enter your cells, introduce created genetic material (mRNA) that your cells then use to produced a foreign protein which is then released into your bloodstream. NOT A SINGLE ONE. This is an entirely NEW technology, method of action and operates at the genetic manipulation level. That's worth a pause to discuss. I don't believe the oath I took authorizes my chain of command to manipulate me at the genetic level.
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PFC Kevin Becker
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The first vaccine mandate was issued by George Washington to combat smallpox in The Continental Army. In 1809 the State of Massachusetts also mandated vaccination for smallpox.The greatest challenge to Massachusetts’s vaccine mandates would come nearly a century after the initial legislation, in a case that would go to the highest court in the land. Massachusetts resident Henning Jacobson refused a mandatory smallpox booster vaccine in 1902, citing a bad reaction to his first shot several years prior. After he was fined $5 (the equivalent of approximately $153 today) for refusing to comply, local anti-vaccination activists picked up his case, eventually bringing it all the way to the Supreme Court.

Smallpox ‘virus squads’ and the mandatory vaccinations upheld by the Supreme Court

In a 7-2 vote, the Supreme Court upheld the mandate and the state’s right to fine citizens who did not comply, though it also decreed that no one could be forcibly vaccinated. “[T]he liberty secured by the Constitution of the United States to every person within its jurisdiction does not import an absolute right in each person to be, at all times and in all circumstances, wholly free from restraint,” wrote Justice John Marshall Harlan in the majority opinion. With that, the mandate enacted nearly 100 years prior was affirmed as constitutionally appropriate. Every vaccination mandate since has been upheld as lawful and constitutionally appropriate. As an aside. A neighbor that works in an Emergency Department at a major hospital, tells me that when a person comes in with Covid, and they start inserting IV tubing and administering various drugs, only one patient out of the hundreds they have seen, has asked "what are you giving me?"
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CPL Brian Clouser
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If the Republicans in Congress get their way an Honorable
Now in Biden and his Sec of Defense get their way a dishonorable or at the very least a Bad Conduct
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