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Navy's top enlisted leader is wrapping up job title review. Intent is to remove "man" from job titles, such as corpsman, to make them gender neutral. All Air Force members are referred to as "airmen" and three enlisted ranks include "man" in their title. What would you suggest as an alternative to "airman"? (You can have fun with this, but serious alternatives also are appreciated.)
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Edited 10 y ago
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It was always an American tradition, so why change it. Once you address the situation to a female Air person, just be specific. If it ain't broken, don't fix it!
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Well, when I had to work with some AF guys attached to our light infantry unit, I had never herd a pair of whinier little girls. Of course when you count the AF unit that was at Mannheim, Germany that complained that their m-4'S were too heavy to carry around for post guard duty. So, in my experience none of them should ever be referred to as men in any way.
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I don't understand the apprehension to simply examining the question. We're the only branch with a gendered pronoun, there's nothing wrong with *asking* if there's a viable alternative–especially if women and/or gender non-conforming folks have input. Additionally, I have even less understanding of the antagonistic relationship some people have with "political correctness"; as if being considerate of the language you use when taking to or about people unlike one's self is somehow unbecoming.
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SSgt Chuck “Gunz” Gundlach USMC Ret., MBA
You don't understand why some people have as you put it, "an antagonistic relationship" with Political Correctness. The issue is not Political Correctness as a rule, as it is a good general practice, like anything else when used in moderation. The problem begins and ends where too many Liberals have taken it and want to change the whole Webster's Dictionary and American Language. As an example, I just heard something about people pushing Politicians to change "Father" in "Our Father, who art in Heaven…", for what reason except they want to neuter everything. In many schools, you can't call boys and girls, boys and girls…they don't want to label them…what some BS. "Our Father" is "Our Father", a boy is a boy, a girl is a girl, a transgender is a transgender, and a Airman, is an Airman. Why change what is not broke, nor what does not hurt or kill anyone. We need to work on all the other major issues we have in America, like grouping/segregating everyone into small niches so we can fight about differences rather than unite and fight for America and Americans.
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SGM Thomas Adderley
I agree and this has been going on for a long time. Just listen to any weather forecast and they are all using the word "impact and impacted". I guessed this happened because too many people are lazy and can not determine whether to use 'effect or affect'.
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I would not suggest any alternative. The AF Chf of Staff publishes an order stating all enlisted members, male or female, will be addressed as, Airman. There ya go, problem solved! Wait, you say Airman is not gender neutral? If you apply it to males and females, it's no longer gender specific, simple.
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Are we then going to change the Airman's Creed? Seems like people need to pull up their grown up pants and suck it up. We aren't the one percent for nothing. We are above this petty bullshit.
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NONE. We are all soldiers, sailors and or airmen. No need to change. All of this gender and equality talk is balderdash. We do not need to be concerning ourselves with the equality and gender issue as seen in the politically correct civilian establishment. All we need to do is get on with soldering and taking care of business. There are no gender or equality problems when the bullets begin to fly.
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Airman and Seaman are are already gender neutral by long time military practice. To my knowledge no woman in the military has ever been confused about her gender or ever been mistaken for a man because of this title or designation. We are as a group , Airmen or Seamen ,.... and the singular versions of these titles are Airman and Seaman. There is no gender discrimination or sexism going on here.
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I started out in U.S. Civil Service the man issue came up. I was originally an Instrument Repair Man, as I progressed I became an Electro-Mechanical Gyroscopic Instrument Repairman. Then the PC POLICE came in The Instrument repairman, became an Instrument Repairer. All titles had man replaced with er.Wasted a whole lot of scarce funding to satisfy the feminazi's ip out at the mention of "man or men"
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