Posted on Dec 16, 2021
MAJ Robert H.
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American Legion and VFW posts are losing members and not getting new ones. I had this discussion with several leaders in both organizations. Older members are dying and new members are not joiners. The older members are often not welcoming either. I think making them family oriented and getting more involved in their community events might cause them to gain more relevance and awareness. This change should increase and gain more members. Thoughts?
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MSgt Steven Holt, NRP
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"...The older members are often not welcoming either...." DING! DING! DING!! We have a winner!!!

When you are repeatedly told, "You aren't a REAL veteran because you weren't in the 'Nam" it kinda sours your desire to join. I finally joined the local VFW post (via National membership) but rarely go there as I'm shunned, ignored, and often looked at with open hostility by the older members.
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SP5 Renee Reif
SP5 Renee Reif
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MAJ Steve Warnerski - BTW- it doesn't matter if one is a minority among the group- the LAW protects the minority from the majority when it comes to the 1st Amendment. Furthermore:

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-navy/2019/11/12/how-the-us-military-embraced-americas-religious-diversity/
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SP5 Renee Reif
SP5 Renee Reif
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MAJ Steve Warnerski
"This report is intended to support congressional oversight of DOD’s diversity, inclusion, and equal opportunity programs, policies, and management for uniformed personnel.7"
"An internet search on “diversity initiatives in the workplace,” produces more than one
million results. Given the emphasis placed on diversity by modern organizations it is important to understand why workforce diversity is valued and what that can mean in the context of military personnel management."
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management. Although the three terms are frequently used interchangeably, there are some key differences in how they are interpreted and applied. While diversity is primarily used to discuss the variations in visible and invisible traits among employees in an organization, inclusion or inclusiveness is typically used to discuss the culture of organizations. An inclusive organization is often described as one with policies that promote respect for differences, enable individual contributions, and instill a sense of organizational belonging. Equal opportunity is used in the context of legal protections for individuals or groups of individuals from forms of discrimination in the workplace. Policies that promote diversity and equal opportunity are typically complementary and can help build an organizational culture of inclusiveness. "
- https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R44321

What unity looks like:
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SP5 Renee Reif
SP5 Renee Reif
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what unity looks like:
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SP5 Renee Reif
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what unity looks like. The uniform does not discriminate-people do. Humans do. #stopreliogiousnationalilsm #stopwhitesupremacy #stopthepatriarchy
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SGT Chris Padgett
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When I got out the 1st time (1991), I went to the VFW that my grandfather had been a member of years ago. I was told that I had to be in a combat area. I told them I was a Desert Storm vet. I was promptly told that Desert Storm wasn't a real war.
I said "fuck em" and forgot about it.
A couple months later, I happen to be at an event that the local American Legion was sponsoring.
I got to talking to one of the members there, and before I knew it I was a member.
I've been a legion member now for 28 years.
The difference between the two is night and day.
The post I belong to understands that we need to appeal to families and less to veterans only.
We're a family oriented post now, and it's way better than it was before we had the "come to Jesus" discussion and went to family format.
We actively recruit female veterans, and welcome them to our post.
We give a voice to the wives and other family members as to the direction we want to go.
If someone has an idea, we listen. We don't just blow them off.
Our post is an open book and people like that. Having secrets is no way to operate.
The American Legion as a national organization is really promoting this format as well.
A lot of posts are coming around, some better than others.
I've been to VFW Posts for programs, I'm glad I was turned away. I find them to be codger hangouts. Places where old guys drink beer and bitch about things.
If that's your thing, go for it.
The VFW I 1st went to, has sold their building, members have mostly died off and is dying on the vine.
Yet, the American Legion just a few miles down the road will hit record numbers for membership, prospers and is super active within the community.
It all about attitude and the way you treat your members.

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SGT Chris Padgett
SGT Chris Padgett
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SGT Robert Haynes - I wish you were near my Legion Post, you wouldn't feel that way.
I say "My Legion Post" because we take ownership of how we treat folks.
Let me know where you are and I'll reach out and get you someplace you'll be treated better.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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I'm a very active Member of American Legion Post 208, Millis, MA and it's a great bunch. We do welcome ALL Armed Force Veteran's and every Thursday, all year we have a social coffee which You don't have to even be Legion Member, just a Veteran. That doesn't mean We won't try to interest You in joining. We had six of our Post members die from December to March though , one WWII, 3 Korean War vets and 2 Vietnam Veterans and We miss them. We do have some new members not very many from wars after Vietnam and they are the ones We need to take over. We will take our local people who are on active duty and while they are on active duty the Post will pay their Membership. Our Legion Post was established in 1920 I'm also a member of AMVETS Post 495, also in Millis, MA I have served as Post Commander for 5 terms and am currently the 1st Vice Commander, Post service Officer and Vietnam vet. (I talked the current commander, Vietnam era Veteran on His 4th term into running) On Memorial Day also We have a free breakfast at our Legion Post for any Armed Forces Veteran which is followed by the parade and ceremonies.
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PO1 Lou Tanghe
PO1 Lou Tanghe
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This is the same response I received from the VFW when I came home. I received a completely different response from the Legion. To this day I refuse to join the VFW and continue to enjoy my Legion membership.
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Cpl Craig Howard
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If you wear the Combat Action Ribbon, or it's equivalent, there should be ZERO discussion.
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1SG Dan Capri
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Thats a good question. More family oriented. A service center oriented office environment.
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