Posted on Dec 16, 2021
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American Legion and VFW posts are losing members and not getting new ones. I had this discussion with several leaders in both organizations. Older members are dying and new members are not joiners. The older members are often not welcoming either. I think making them family oriented and getting more involved in their community events might cause them to gain more relevance and awareness. This change should increase and gain more members. Thoughts?
Posted 4 y ago
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not only more family oriented but also place where veterans can get to get together any day of the week and not just a particular day. Maybe have more of a recreation center or eclub/oclub type feel. When stationed in NC at Camp Lejeune I used to visit the recreation center almost daily just to play pool or watch movies with my fellow Marines.
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I am an American Legion Commander in a small town. We have a clubhouse, but no bar. We have partnered with the local school for Memorial Day, Veterans Day, Breakfast with Santa and scholarships. We have a very, very small group that participates on a regular basis. We have struggled with recruiting and haven’t found the answer.
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It's simply not a welcoming environment. More so I am a 31 year old female and I have no interest in spending my free time with a group of men who (I fear) will minimize what I have contributed and experienced. Despite serving in AFSOC with 2 deployments, the culture from my experience has been very sexist. I don't need to continure to hear that "you only deployed/ you only promoted/ blah, blah, blah because you're a female".
I'll take a hard pass for now.
I'll take a hard pass for now.
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Make it more attractive to Cold War Veterans, after all, the Cold War wasn’t all that Cold for some of us.
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MAJ Vance Chartier
The American Legion is now open to all honorably discharged veterans. As a past commander of a local Legion post, I mentioned the National Commanders that I met that they needed to make this change. Because their charter was originally approved by an act of congress, it took an act of congress to approve this change. I'm happy to say that 2020 saw this change passed officially by congress. I am happy that my fellow Cold War Warriors can now be a member of this great organization.
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I remember from back in the '80's, when we VietNam vets went to the VFW, the WW2 guys told us the same thing. We left and didn't go back.
But, I see both organizations as smoke filled rooms with a bar that has a less expensive place to drink. I even saw that just a year ago at a local VFW. So, it has not changed.
Many of us have zero interest in that. If they get rid of the smoking, that would be a good start. But, it will have to have something that will attract the younger members. ( and us older guys too)
But, I see both organizations as smoke filled rooms with a bar that has a less expensive place to drink. I even saw that just a year ago at a local VFW. So, it has not changed.
Many of us have zero interest in that. If they get rid of the smoking, that would be a good start. But, it will have to have something that will attract the younger members. ( and us older guys too)
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MAJ Vance Chartier
Out local Legion voted to be a smoke free organization. While this was not popular at the time, it has led to more younger veterans joining. These organizations not only look for young members but young members who desire to make a difference in their communities by being in leadership positions in the post and working with leaders in the community. Only from within can you hope to make a change. That's how our post changed.
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Meh. I tried the local "I got drafted and went to Vietnam" club. A bunch of old chain-smoking drunks. Good luck with that family-oriented thing.
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COL Robert Gaudsmith
On second thought... there is real potential for change. The Millennial Generation can do great things (I have seen it down range). The organizations need to be open for a change in leadership and vision. Like the Cavalry giving up horses for tanks. Change can be good.
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When I tried to join the VFW in 1970 I was told I couldn't join because Vietnam was not a war but a police action. I also was told "we never lost a war".
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For one thing, some posts need to become more family and community oriented. Get away from the days of a dark, smoke-filled bar with drinking at all hours. Do more than just march in parades and provide color guards. Do some projects that help the needy and deserving in the community. Something more than Boys State or Legion Baseball. I'm not saying get rid of this support. These are great for statewide & national service but more needs to be done locally.
Another thing is to stop the political nonsense within the walls of the post or during events. I know of one post that became so toxic when members supporting a certain presidential candidate that any other member who didn't agree with was suddenly a communist/socialist/fascist or whatever. Not a great way to build an organization and retain members. I belong to both the Legion and VFW, but don't participate with the local posts for these very reasons.
Another thing is to stop the political nonsense within the walls of the post or during events. I know of one post that became so toxic when members supporting a certain presidential candidate that any other member who didn't agree with was suddenly a communist/socialist/fascist or whatever. Not a great way to build an organization and retain members. I belong to both the Legion and VFW, but don't participate with the local posts for these very reasons.
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PO2 Bull Halsey
I agree wholeheartedly! However, we suddenly have had a reprise of the bar as the foundation, more welcome and invitation activities, an upgrade of the facilities via local grants (we were amazed by the support for the local supporters.of vets), cheap brunches for the community and new, central management from folks with perspective and energy. it seems to be working. Also reaching out to form an inter-agency coalition for mutual aid is getting some legs in town.
anyone else doing this?
anyone else doing this?
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I think an additional part of it is the current climate of the military. Currently it is “uncool” to be proud of your service and patriotic. You get made fun of if you wear gear that represents your pride. For a lot of current military members and recent veterans being in the military is just like any other basic 9-5 job. It’s not a career, a calling or lifestyle. It is simply a thing to do to pay the bills and they don’t want anything to do with it after work hours or after they leave the service. In my opinion even if the veteran organizations fixed internal issues they maybe having to attract and keep members I still think the current climate is going to dwindle all military support agencies in the future.
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SPC Lyle Montgomery
1SG schmidt. The climate aruond Omaha wasn't bad to us returning Vietnam vets and the Millwright union welcomed all vets.
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SGT C Reed
It's not about being 'cool', it's about a changing and evolving culture. Sitting around drinking and smoking and whining about woke-ism is not of much interest to many youth. Veteran organizations need to grow up and join the modern world if they want to survive. However, many of us have already been alienated (for life) by the backward thinking gatekeeping of existing groups. I was NEVER treated like a (10yr active duty) veteran by the AL, only as a 'spouse' of a veteran. Screw that.
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Honestly I can't think of anything that would make me want to participate. I would probably join, but I doubt there is something that would make Mr want to be active.
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LTC (Join to see)
I will say the VFW by my old house was very welcoming but they were all Drunk at 3pm on a Wednesday. That was a big turn off for me.
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