Posted on Dec 16, 2021
MAJ Robert H.
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American Legion and VFW posts are losing members and not getting new ones. I had this discussion with several leaders in both organizations. Older members are dying and new members are not joiners. The older members are often not welcoming either. I think making them family oriented and getting more involved in their community events might cause them to gain more relevance and awareness. This change should increase and gain more members. Thoughts?
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MAJ Harry Whitlock
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Make the posts more family oriented, not dark, smoky places where too many vets are drinking. Also, stop the politics, FFS!! I've heard of posts that have become overly political. It becomes a place where if you don't support politician XYZ, you're nothing but a communist/socialist/fascist. Not a great way to build camaraderie or represent the military services and the US Constitution. I'm a member of both the American Legion and VFW but don't visit the local posts for this very reason.
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GySgt Jack Wallace
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I join last year and I pulled out withheld a week. Both men in charge were head-strong and didn't feel at ease with either one of them.It was like a power trip being in-charge.Sad but true.One was older and the other was a combat vet whom had be wounded/injured.
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Maj Gail Lofdahl
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When I retired from the AF in 1995, the VFW sent me mailers all but begging me to join, claiming that my Korean service qualified me for VFW membership. But when I called up the local VFW post, I was told that I wasn't eligible (wait for it) because I hadn't served in the "real" Korean War. (I asked them when the truce had been signed, but that went over their heads.) BUT I COULD JOIN THE WOMEN'S AUXILIARY!
I thought about filing a complaint with National, but decided that there were just too many good organizations out there that WANTED me to join them, so why bother with these losers? So when the VFW complains that they're losing membership, all I can say is that if they keep giving prospective members the "bum's rush," they'll get what they deserve.
BTW, I'd frequented American Legion Post 435 since childhood (our neighbor was a vet), so I joined them instead and have always been made welcome. It's a totally different atmosphere. Too bad it's in my home town and not where I live, so I don't get there often. But one of our local VFWs folded and the other is clear on the other side of town, so I'd never use it. I just continue to support my hometown American Legion.
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SGT Air Defense Radar Repairer
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Lt. Col Charlie Brown has me blocked but I want to support her on this. Why do you guys hate female veterans is beyond my understanding? Why do you automatically assume a woman has never served? Why do you look down on them? Why are you disrespectful towards them? Why do you belittle them? Why do you see them as objects?


Now don't say you don't do this. I lived on that side of the fence for over 40 years and I know how you talk when women are not around. I saw you get happy when you learned you were going on TDY which gave you a chance to cheat on your Spouse/girlfriend.

The day the American Legion and the VFW treat Women and LGBT Veterans as EQUALS then they have a chance at survival. If not then fuckbthrmvand hopefully they go bankrupt and close their doors forever.

Every Woman and LGBT Veteran
Took the same oath.
Gave the US Government that blank check to do with them as it saw fit.

Women Served and some never came back.
LGBT members served and some never came back.
Many came back broken but not from the Enemy but by the Very People They SERVED With. Think about that for a moment guys especially those of you who were in position to stop these attacks on your fellow service members but turned a blind eye to and chose to be ignorant of what was happening.
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SPC Lyle Montgomery
SPC Lyle Montgomery
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bullshit.
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SGT C Reed
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SGT (Join to see) - Lyle has issues. Don't waste your breath. Not worth it.
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PO3 Kathy Getchey
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My combat veteran husband and I discussed joining when we got out. I called the legion post and they were excited to ask about my husband. I asked about my joining, and I was told the girls in the kitchen could always use help. Nuff said.
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SFC Mark Klaers
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My unit was providing static displays for a memorial to a deceased former commander of a local American Legion post. For all our effort, my troops were made to feel like "peons" by the membership. Further adding insult, when we were done, I went to the bar to by a couple rounds for my volunteers. The bar maid made it a point to ignore us and the members repeated cut in front of my boys. When I had enough and confronted the next line cutter, he acted like his former rank of captain meant something to me.
We were there for them. I promise it hasn't happened since, and won't! I will never join a group like that and I doubt neither will any of those soldiers involved. If that post closes down the road, I say "GOOD RIDDANCE!".
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MAJ Robert H.
MAJ Robert H.
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Sounds like the trend and they will shut down for that very reason. There are a few that want to change. One asked me how do they become more relevant which prompted the question.
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Maj Gail Lofdahl
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Let me get this straight--you were active duty, and they treated you like that? The only time I went into an American Legion post in uniform (following my former boss's funeral), they told me, "Major, your money's no good in here," and drinks were on the house.
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SPC Matthew Templeton
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I'm now "in charge" of the entertainment at my post, but it's still nearly impossible to get people out of their old ways. Same bands, same events, year in and year out. It gets boring fast. Not to mention everyone in there is up to their heads in drama form the past 30 years. All this he said, she said flying around as soon as you walk in. I've ignored it as I only joined to assist with the honor guard, but there's no recruitment. Thanks to covid and age, we've lost a lot of members past couple years. At events, I ask members to show up and try to recruit younger vets, but they're all older and say that they don't want to attend their events. There were 5 members at the largest fundraising event and I had a dozen OIF OEF guys there. Nobody talked to them about membership, and nobody helped. The SAL and AUX run everything mostly. I know we can do better, however my officer position doesn't give me the ability to do anything!
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MAJ Robert H.
MAJ Robert H.
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Just the conversation with the current leadership seems to work sometimes. YOU are there and making a difference whether you know it or not.
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THANKS for working towards changes!
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SPC Lyle Montgomery
SPC Lyle Montgomery
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Spc. templeton, It's the same with any organization. It's what you make of it. I like hanging around with my generation. A lot of them are gone now and I don't feel a connection with the younger croud. I belong to the VFW, a life member and the Knights of Columbus. It's just not the same. I'm glad that younger men are taking over these organizations but there is nothing in it for me. I'm 71 years old and don't drink any more for health reasons, so sitting on a bar stool dosen't appeal to me anymore.
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SGT Steve McFarland
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I live in Florida, where the majority of Veterans are over 65, so finding younger Veterans to recruit is difficult at best.
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MAJ Anthony DeStefano
MAJ Anthony DeStefano
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The IAVA is virtually killing the traditional brick and mortar ‘in person” veterans organizations - no travel to meetings and the higher levels of IAVA lobby Congress for their needs but I have tried to reach out as Command of NJ Blue Ridge Post 164 in
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SGT(P) Jennifer Brande
SGT(P) Jennifer Brande
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I am 46 years old and an Army Combat Veteran, my husband is a 47 year old US Marine Corps Veteran and we joined the American Legion and are both Life Members of the Jewish War Veterans. We joined but keep hitting a wall with trying to recruit veterans here (in Florida, aka the most mil/vet friendly state in the US) because they don’t see us, aka OUR GENERATION of Veterans in leadership, and having lots of fellow women vets and minority friends they are so SICK and TIRED of old white men in leadership they refuse to join. That’s why our organizations will problema die, the inability to change.
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MSgt Thomas O'Rourke
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I have approached my local VFW and AL by inviting them to come to a local baseball or hockey game in my town Allentown, PA. This is a good ice breaker.
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LTC Force Development
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The VFW posts I've known were just bars. I don't drink, so that wouldn't appeal to me. Yet I'm an old codger and my kids are grown up, so I don't know if I'd fit in with a family environment. One aspect I miss about the military is the atmosphere of athletics and competition.
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MAJ Robert H.
MAJ Robert H.
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That would be interesting to integrate but what types of competition?
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LTC Force Development
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MAJ Robert H. Almost any sport like golf, running, team sports. I'm disabled. It would be nice if there were organizations that could help a guy like me to find something I could do...
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COL President
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Cornhole tourneys, pickleball, horseshoes, pool, darts... are among the
"old school" choices. But I have also heard about Posts that have video gaming rooms now! Leadership has to be willing to try something new, but for any of these options, the indispensable factor is this: some one person willing to champion doing it, organize it, and then build a following!
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