Posted on May 5, 2016
What would you do if you knew a MAJ submitted a fraudulent DA Form 705 APFT & DA Form 5500 Body Composition in a packet?
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Here is a point of reference:
Two female Soldiers >40 years old:
Soldier A - 63” tall 126 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 26% Army Wellness Center Pod: 27%
Soldier B - 64” tall 173 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 25% Army Wellness Center Pod: Refused
Discuss.....
Here is a point of reference:
Two female Soldiers >40 years old:
Soldier A - 63” tall 126 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 26% Army Wellness Center Pod: 27%
Soldier B - 64” tall 173 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 25% Army Wellness Center Pod: Refused
Discuss.....
Integrity
APFT
Misconduct
Character
What Would You Do
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Responses: 204
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Did you actually 'see' the Major falsify the document and forward it on without 'anyone' else touching it? Then check your morale code and make sure it is spotless as well. Good luck!
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Soldiers not in compliance need to work at getting into compliance. There is so much help available.
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I'd report it, I have been placed many times in the slot of an NCO as a specialist. I was scared at first, but I was always told. You have the authority to deal with said issues as an NCO. I wouldn't let this slide. I report it, if chain of command still didn't do anything. I continue to go higher till this was addressed. I've dealt with a lot of political crap in my unit. Also of it towards me, but I did not let that change my view on how one should conduct themselves. I got crap for it, but I did what was right when it came down to it. If they allowed behavior such as this to slide, what happens when your on the frontline? I don't see how I can trust said soldier if they only cared about covering for their own butts. Using their said rank to get away with crap. I've seen it a lot with the 6 years I did and the 8 years my husband did. Man did it get my blood boiling. Honestly, if I was still able to serve. LOL I honestly would have probably not been the most liked soldier, but who cares. It's about keeping to regulations and integrity at the end of the day.
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You should still be serving! Thank you for holding strong to your Core Values even though others made it miserable for you.
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SPC Mariely Sheridan
CSM (Join to see) - Thank you, I do miss wearing the uniform. Made me the person I am now. Glad to help those who look to enlist and those who still serve. Don't mind being asked questions, especially if its to help a fellow brother or sister in uniform
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I'd talk to the MAJ in private, and offer a chance to correct the issue. If I was ignored, then I'd report it, and get ready to do a lot of BN staff duty, have my rater threatened, etc.
Seems like something worth falling on your sword over, in the long run, but it'll change into the Sword of Damocles pretty soon I bet.
Seems like something worth falling on your sword over, in the long run, but it'll change into the Sword of Damocles pretty soon I bet.
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I am right with you. I am charged with enforcing standards, even if it is painful.
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Not to rock the boat to hard, I'd let the proper people know about the act, ask to have my name with held for secure reasons, and let the person try to weasel their way out of it.
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Oh I capsized the boat. Thank goodness I used to be a Red Cross Lifeguard, or I would have drowned from the Tsunami.
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A lack of integrity is a lack of integrity. He (or she) is not living the Army values. He should be punished like anyone else.
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I personally would uphold the standard. It is our duty as Noncomissioned Officers to live by the standards and make sure other soldiers do too.
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Yes, as leaders we set the example with integrity as our foundation, and we must ensure others do the same.
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Been there... He go turned in along with the 1sg that filled out the paperwork and the cw3 that signed off on it...
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SSG James Elmore
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1SG- lost his diamond while under investigation, and was then discharged under UCMJ article 107 False Statements (27yrs of service)
CW3- first to admit the wrong doing so just forced retirement (23yrs of service)
MAJ- Who was just promoted the month before and needed this test for HRC promotion stuff, attempted suicide and had to be medevac to Germany. He was demoted back to CPT, relieved of command, and was discharged (24yrs of service) under UCMJ Article 133 for Conduct Unbecoming an Officer and Gentleman.
1SG- lost his diamond while under investigation, and was then discharged under UCMJ article 107 False Statements (27yrs of service)
CW3- first to admit the wrong doing so just forced retirement (23yrs of service)
MAJ- Who was just promoted the month before and needed this test for HRC promotion stuff, attempted suicide and had to be medevac to Germany. He was demoted back to CPT, relieved of command, and was discharged (24yrs of service) under UCMJ Article 133 for Conduct Unbecoming an Officer and Gentleman.
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SSG James Elmore It seems fair and just. Just terrible there was an attempted suicide though. Soldiers that do these integrity violations are robbing the bank and those that assist them or fail to act are driving the getaway car. So please still answer - What would you do?
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I would have reported it, and braced for exit. Opening shock would have seemed like nothing compare to the impact I made on the street after being chaptered.
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SPC Rory J. Mattheisen
There is a measure of protection in your rank, and I am glad you are doing the right thing.
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SPC Rory J. Mattheisen - Unfortunately, my rank offered no protection. The tornado had backup thunderstorms, lightning, and hail. Basically everything got leveled, but I walked a way with my life and that is enough. Everything else gets rebuilt over time, and the structures are built to better standards to withstand such natural disasters.
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