Posted on May 5, 2016
What would you do if you knew a MAJ submitted a fraudulent DA Form 705 APFT & DA Form 5500 Body Composition in a packet?
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Here is a point of reference:
Two female Soldiers >40 years old:
Soldier A - 63” tall 126 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 26% Army Wellness Center Pod: 27%
Soldier B - 64” tall 173 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 25% Army Wellness Center Pod: Refused
Discuss.....
Here is a point of reference:
Two female Soldiers >40 years old:
Soldier A - 63” tall 126 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 26% Army Wellness Center Pod: 27%
Soldier B - 64” tall 173 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 25% Army Wellness Center Pod: Refused
Discuss.....
Integrity
APFT
Misconduct
Character
What Would You Do
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Sir there is no article, just a question. What would you do? What would a reasonable person do?
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Investigate her rater. Because, if the person is stupid enough to do it, is bound to be stupid enough to get caught. Which probably means the unit knew about it. I've seen this a lot when I was on active duty. And a majority of them were in privileged positions.
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Leaders must enforce standards and hold Soldiers accountable for their actions no matter it is an officer or enlisted Soldier. Good thinking. Insert wrench here - hypothetically what if one of the people helping her works for her in Human Resources. What to do now?
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REPORT IT IMMEDIATELY. However, make sure you have evidence to support your claim. If that is the case, this is a blatant violation of integrity and no member of the service, Enlisted or officer should be able to get away with it...period. If it gets investigated down the road and you knew about it and didn't report it, you are just as guilty for driving the getaway car.
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Sir, Soldiers that do these integrity violations are robbing the bank and those that assist them or fail to act are driving the getaway car. Do you mind if I use that analogy in the future, since it is spot on.
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Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth
CSM (Join to see) - use it wherever you need/want to. I feel that guilty by association is still guilty.
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"What would you do if you knew..." Well, if you "knew," you as an NCO or Officer has a moral and legal obligation to advise your chain of command. That's a no brainier.
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Hypothetically, you notify your CDR. Then what would you do? I have a bunch more hypotheticals to add if you want to think through a solution. What would you do?
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Integrity violation cannot be tolerated. All must follow the standards and be treated or punished equally. It's unbecoming of an Officer to lie and or cheat. Time to terminate with bad conduct discharge.
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Given that the major is a field grade officer, not much. The last field grade I knew to do something illegal like sexual harassment and assault, only got moved from to another unit. Then 6 months later became the sharp oic. lol the system is broken when trying police field grades.
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Top, of course, as Leaders we must address these issues and not let them fester. They are not like wine, they do not get better with age. I do not personally pass on a problem to another unit. This is a sad example of passing on a problem to another unit. They just wreak more havoc where they go next. Passing on a problem is an example of Destructive Leadership.
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I agree, but as nco's we don't have a say on field grades. atleast I didn't. The one I'm talking about was LTC bn cdr. He just got moved.
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1SG (Join to see) - 1SG, I know that must pain your heart as much as it does mine. You and I know these cancers get worse once they spread. Please do not beat yourself up over this. If you did the best you could in the circumstances you were in, then you were living the Army Values. Evil may win battles but good always wins the war.
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I had a battle who's nco submitted a false tape test so he could pass, he didn't fail because he was fat, he failed because he looked more bodybuilder than soldier and his nco didn't want to fail him for being in perfect shape, even the 1st Sgt was in on it, in certain cases it's feasible for this to happen. Apft, not allowable what so ever
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As leaders, we set the example with integrity as our foundation. It is awesome to see a PFC thinking and trying to solve an issue. There are remedies available when a Soldier is really muscular, rather than than falsifying a document. Keep with it, good job!
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lol we should take a poll on how many officers we know never passed the PT test, but somehow always get promoted...... That's why I tell joes, get your degree paid for, get a technical skill. Get out go to the VA and get you a civilian career.
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That would be an interesting poll. I would like to vote and see the results. When are you posting it? Get on it dog on it.
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I glossed over some of the top comments so if I missed this, I apologize but where is the discussion of the person who signed the 705 and 5501? They are just as guilty as the Major committing the infraction.
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Good observation. Anyone that assisted with an integrity violation should be held accountable, too. Always let your Core Values lead the way.
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If I am reading this correctly, I am shocked and appalled on many different levels. The first of which being that a Brigade Command Sergeant Major does not know what to do when a Major is falsifying records.
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Sir, I never said I did not know what to do. I know what I did do. I asked, what would you do? Praise God, I survived the Category 5 hurricane that brought a full range of destruction that tears everything apart, but rebuilding brings Hope.
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