What would you do if you knew a MAJ submitted a fraudulent DA Form 705 APFT & DA Form 5500 Body Composition in a packet?

The same thing I did when an E4 did it in my unit, take it to the commander and advocate for his swift exit from our ranks.

Report it up the chain with the actual factual evidence in hand.

I think that as an NCO, further addressing this issue can't be done by one. It needs to be done by the entire cadre including the 1st SGT and CSM. If you know that there is fraud on a APFT/Body comp form, you need to point it out; but keep in mind, this may be an indicator of something more systemic in the Unit. This is the real problem. The idea is, if you know there is a problem of integrity, the knee jerk reaction is to act. You need to keep your powder dry, collect evidence, and tighten the screws on every single action or document that gets approved by the commander. This is all done by NCOs.

If you have the data to prove there is fraud or more specifically a lack of integrity, it is imperative that you as an NCO have the support of the 1st SGT and CSM to fix this. If you have the entire cadre involved, there will be no wiggle room for rank to play the “good ole boys game” by shunning out an NCO who isn’t “playing ball.” I would also mention that if there is an integrity problem in the Leadership, it may very well include a select number of NCOs; another reason to keep your powder dry and know what you’re dealing with. If you get no support from your NCO cadre, then it’s time to bring it to the attention of IG. They have ways of fixing it.

I think that this video may help us understand, why this can happen within our ranks. I don't necessarily agree with what happens during a peace time military, but we know it happens. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NW8vHfgnC6Q

It depends on whether there is evidence and/or witnesses (plural) or if this is a suspicion. Regardless of whichever it happens to be, it should be reported.

CSM (Join to see) It should be reported if you are sure of the info. If you only suspect it, I would still discuss it with my commander and explain the reason for suspecting it. Bottom line is that it should not be ignored.

CSM,
Standards are standards. As an NCO, my duty is to maintain and enforce standards. That includes ensuring that I meet the standard as well. If we remember our Army Values we will not forget that integrity means doing the right thing legally and morally, tempering justice with mercy. We are human and make mistakes, however, admitting to, and dealing with the consequences of our actions is part of that core value thinking. I am just frustrated that there appears to be two different measuring sticks when it comes to officers vs. Enlisted. I have witnessed Officers get away with things that they would have burned an NCO at the stake for and told, "that is not your lane".

This sounds like an unsolvable problem that an algebra teacher gives on the first day to make students think when it's an unsolvable problem.

Soldier A is 63", is 126 pounds and is 27% body fat, Soldier B is only one inch taller than soldier A but weighs 47 pounds more than soldier A and is two percent lower body fat than soldier A. Exclude integrity while doing your math and show all work.

PT is a personal responsibility! I've been in the reserves my entire military career and managed to pass every APFT regardless of weather conditions, grader etc. There's no excuse as far as reservists only drill twice a month. You know the standard, be prepared to meet it.

Someone referenced that you have 365 days to knock it out. While this might be true, I've never been at a unit that hasn't done one at least every six months just because the commander wants to take one, or know where everyone is at with it.

A SPC in these responses said "I know someone who brought a passing APFT card to me from four months prior and they were four months pregnant so they had gained a lot of weight" this person is obviously so brain dead that they didn't care too look at the body fat percentage being less than the first soldier who was only an inch shorter and the same age. Aside from that I don't give a damn what someone brings to me from four months prior because I have no idea that it is a real APFT card, unless it was sitting filed away somewhere with the unit, and if it is a pregnant soldier not taking a APFT because of that then they should have a profile if I'm not mistaken.

This CSM has every right and obligation to report this discrepancy. I have had to bust my ass to make sure that aside from my civilian job I'm ready to deploy when the Army says it's time to go, and part of that is maintaining fitness and weight standards. The Standard is the minimum required to be considered a go, that's the definition they give at WLC, if you can't meet that why do you deserve to go up for promotion or reap the benefits that someone else who is really working for isn't getting.

Right on CSM, you rock for pointing this out and I definitely think it should be brought to the Commander. The rules and regulations we live by apply to everyone, and if they don't and everyone is dressing, acting how they want and doing what they want we are then the militia of the United States of America. I wear the uniform proudly how I was taught and how the regulation says, I do what I'm told by superiors when I'm told to do so, and I do the right thing legally and morally no matter what.

I had a Full bird Commander ask me change his pt score. Well I guess because I have integrity that didn't happen. I not only do I know NCO but I live it

Why is it significant that it was a major? It's wrong if a private does it, it's wrong if a 4 star General does it. Its wrong for any rank in between. This isn't an issue for social media or opinion. This situation is clearly covered by regulatory guidance and the Army values.