Posted on May 5, 2016
What would you do if you knew a MAJ submitted a fraudulent DA Form 705 APFT & DA Form 5500 Body Composition in a packet?
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Here is a point of reference:
Two female Soldiers >40 years old:
Soldier A - 63” tall 126 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 26% Army Wellness Center Pod: 27%
Soldier B - 64” tall 173 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 25% Army Wellness Center Pod: Refused
Discuss.....
Here is a point of reference:
Two female Soldiers >40 years old:
Soldier A - 63” tall 126 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 26% Army Wellness Center Pod: 27%
Soldier B - 64” tall 173 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 25% Army Wellness Center Pod: Refused
Discuss.....
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Responses: 204
The major failed his/her integrity check and deserves to get toasted. Sadly, he/she may have had the best of intentions. I recall several times that I had to tell great NCOs they were barred from promotion or reenlistment due to their height/weight and, later in my career, body mass. All were great performers--the uber-muscular Sergeant Rock type who could hump a 90 lbs. ruck all day or carry two 155mm artillery projos simultaneously by hooking one through the nose plug with each hand. They were revered by their soldiers. Arnold Schwarzenegger in his prime would probably have been barred from promotion because he failed to meet the height/weight standard.
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This might be off subject. But I have seen people do some crazy stuff to pass PT and HT WT.
One and I don't blame the guy had a PT test scheduled two days prior to their Birthday that would have placed them in a different bracket. so he wanted to buy a couple of days and take a PT test after his birthday. So he decided he wanted to schedule a Vasectomy prior to the PT test. I know he made all the pre-surgical counseling's but I don't know if he actually went threw it. It's not like he is the only guy scheduled for that day. They could be at least 10 guys scheduled for that day and for what ever reason could be rescheduled at the Clinic or Doctor's Discretion.
The more common things I saw were over use of laxatives, and diaphoretic's (water Pill) to loose body water. The one thing that blew my mind were Soldiers usually E-7 - E-9. That would schedule Liposuction at Civilian Doctors offices Pay for it out of pocket and take Leave to have it done. They met Body Fat but I kept saying to myself at what cost?
One and I don't blame the guy had a PT test scheduled two days prior to their Birthday that would have placed them in a different bracket. so he wanted to buy a couple of days and take a PT test after his birthday. So he decided he wanted to schedule a Vasectomy prior to the PT test. I know he made all the pre-surgical counseling's but I don't know if he actually went threw it. It's not like he is the only guy scheduled for that day. They could be at least 10 guys scheduled for that day and for what ever reason could be rescheduled at the Clinic or Doctor's Discretion.
The more common things I saw were over use of laxatives, and diaphoretic's (water Pill) to loose body water. The one thing that blew my mind were Soldiers usually E-7 - E-9. That would schedule Liposuction at Civilian Doctors offices Pay for it out of pocket and take Leave to have it done. They met Body Fat but I kept saying to myself at what cost?
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I graded a major one time on a PT test. He was trying to do head bobs for push ups. I kept saying 1 lower, 1 lower, 1 lower..... He finally got up and left the PT test saying I don't have time for this
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Lying or fudging numbers will bite you later. Approach and correct and if refused, follow your chain of command. No Brainer for EVERYONE!
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This happens more than you especially at the reserve level in CSH who cover for each other! I have seen officer take APFT outside of their units especially if your from a down trace unit and get covered up by senior leadership and cronism! I've seen officers male/female who can't pass an APFT to save their ass or pass ht/wt yet get promoted time and again! I know this to be true as I was in a unit where the CDR and 1SG took their APFT at higher that were never witnessed yet fell out of every unit run or just didn't show up for PT.
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wow..quite a few comments. To expand the narrative, I did not see the CG take his shortcut. It was reported to me by a G3 NCO, holding PT cards. I sought out the Div. XO for guidance. The 5th Army IG investigated. The Div. Xo who was being considered for his Star, retired. As I said, my staff and I were all Relieved. That was over 25 years ago.
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Unfortunately, CSM I had a Reserve MSG who passed the SGM Academy with the exception of his APFT. At the end of the course he returned to our unit (me as the AGR S3) and asked me to "just pencil it in." I explained that I just do not do that for officers or Soldiers, and gave him 30 days to prepare. He still failed ...and was not promoted and retired as a MSG. WE MUST HAVE INTEGRITY! Can I could I have really counted on him to carry his weight in combat when we deployed???? I was not worried about my back but you cannot short-change your Soldiers! Call me an asshole!
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I'd file an Art 138 complaint. I ensure the CM authority-authorities and others in the chain of command knew about this. I'd would provide copies of the documentation so the MAJ couldn't try and have it withdrawn w/o anyone noticing (if possible).
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CSM (Join to see) What would be the best way for a soldier of any rank to report something like this without fear of some sort of retaliation if his/her name came out in the process? Perhaps an anonymous note to the IC/CG ? Without knowing the back-story on just how much clout and influence the offender has one might be falling on their sword for nothing. PS any feedback on how this came out??
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COL Andrew Burns
as a former Command IG I can tell you that all complaints are confidential. You should use the COC but if you have to go to the IG, do not fear!
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