Posted on May 5, 2016
What would you do if you knew a MAJ submitted a fraudulent DA Form 705 APFT & DA Form 5500 Body Composition in a packet?
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Here is a point of reference:
Two female Soldiers >40 years old:
Soldier A - 63” tall 126 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 26% Army Wellness Center Pod: 27%
Soldier B - 64” tall 173 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 25% Army Wellness Center Pod: Refused
Discuss.....
Here is a point of reference:
Two female Soldiers >40 years old:
Soldier A - 63” tall 126 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 26% Army Wellness Center Pod: 27%
Soldier B - 64” tall 173 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 25% Army Wellness Center Pod: Refused
Discuss.....
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Responses: 204
Integrity is the cornerstone...... this officer needs to be rated below center mass and then tossed on his/her ass.
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Look, mofos are gonna do stuff until they get caught, then the gloves come off. I remember my first DA photo, the people said a fat NCO took his photo laying down to hide his fat ass gut. They caught him because they saw the soles of his shoes.
I tell my sons and my soldiers, do what you think you can afford. This fat ass MAJ thought she could afford to lie and deceive the Army and got caught, she should be turned in to pay the piper. She knew payment might be due and she thought she could pay it. Knock that lying biotch down a rank and kick that fat ass out.
I tell my sons and my soldiers, do what you think you can afford. This fat ass MAJ thought she could afford to lie and deceive the Army and got caught, she should be turned in to pay the piper. She knew payment might be due and she thought she could pay it. Knock that lying biotch down a rank and kick that fat ass out.
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Had it happen...Typed it up, submitted it. Then processed his non retain paperwork.
Had a 1SG and SGM pull the same crap. I busted them dead to right. 1SG made CSM and SGM moved to Division as a CSM I'm sure. That what the Military "Leadership" is all about anymore. I retired and put that crap behind me.
Had a 1SG and SGM pull the same crap. I busted them dead to right. 1SG made CSM and SGM moved to Division as a CSM I'm sure. That what the Military "Leadership" is all about anymore. I retired and put that crap behind me.
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This is the type of thing one gets a GOMOR and might be separated for. She's field grade. Inexcusable.
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I am having a little difficulty with the relevance of the comparison between 'Soldier A' and 'Soldier B'. I hope this is not your 'evidence' that the MAJ submitted fraudulent APFT and body composition forms. The reason body composition is measured is that height and weight alone do not give a complete picture. Different proportions of muscle, bone, and fat in individuals of the same size can result in very different weight.
If you have other compelling evidence that the documents are falsified, present that evidence to the commander with a recommendation for punitive action. If it is just a suspicion with some foundation (i.e. radical improvement over all past scores, which COULD be attributed to hard work at self improvement but seems unlikely, change in height over past recorded height) then first contact the losing unit and ask for verification. If they state the data is not what they have on record (or that they also believe it was falsified, in which case they need to investigate anyone who assisted), you have evidence. If they stand by the data and you still have doubts, you may not be able to prove fraud unless the current bodyfat during inprocessing, but you can take appropriate action based on her current fitness and bodyfat status.
If you have other compelling evidence that the documents are falsified, present that evidence to the commander with a recommendation for punitive action. If it is just a suspicion with some foundation (i.e. radical improvement over all past scores, which COULD be attributed to hard work at self improvement but seems unlikely, change in height over past recorded height) then first contact the losing unit and ask for verification. If they state the data is not what they have on record (or that they also believe it was falsified, in which case they need to investigate anyone who assisted), you have evidence. If they stand by the data and you still have doubts, you may not be able to prove fraud unless the current bodyfat during inprocessing, but you can take appropriate action based on her current fitness and bodyfat status.
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Charge her with Conduct Unbecoming of an Officer and run her out of the Army.
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CSM Jane Baldwin thank you for this real talking point. Fist question, who did the MAJ submit the form to. This is important because someone has to validate it as an official document. The official can either accept it or not. Next what is the chain of custody on the document. If the chain of custody is compromised or unknown. Request another H/W screening. This should not be an issue since a Soldier does not need to prep for this and the Soldier should be in compliance at all times. Set up the new screening. First have the regulation on hand and two witness , follow it to the letter, in fact have another leader read the instructions aloud and procide step by step. Next record the results verbally call out the results and record them directly to the 5500. Do not dicuss the results at the time of taping. Dismiss the solder and calculate the results. If the Soldier fails the screening, Notify the Soldiers chain of command and inform the of the need for notification counseling to the Soldier for failing to meet the standard. The APFT may prove more challenging. You would need to contact the OIC of the APFT and the Graders their integrity is on the line also. CSM (Join to see)
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