Posted on May 5, 2016
What would you do if you knew a MAJ submitted a fraudulent DA Form 705 APFT & DA Form 5500 Body Composition in a packet?
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Here is a point of reference:
Two female Soldiers >40 years old:
Soldier A - 63” tall 126 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 26% Army Wellness Center Pod: 27%
Soldier B - 64” tall 173 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 25% Army Wellness Center Pod: Refused
Discuss.....
Here is a point of reference:
Two female Soldiers >40 years old:
Soldier A - 63” tall 126 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 26% Army Wellness Center Pod: 27%
Soldier B - 64” tall 173 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 25% Army Wellness Center Pod: Refused
Discuss.....
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Responses: 204
I see it to they wanna keep people cause their short handed. So APFT gets pencil whipped. Cause they dont wanna look bad and no one questions it
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If they can't pass apft, flag them first. Then go back to the loss unit and find out from the NCOs what is going on. If the commander has swept it under the rug, he, or she, is just as guilty as the one that falsified the 705
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All must be held to standard. You destroy the morale of the lower ranks when you all senior leadership to not abide by standard.
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All we have in a career in the military is the basic core values and how we either respresented and enforced them or stood to the side and allowed things like this pass us by. You are a CSM. You are the Man or Woman I looked at, all young enlisted and junior officers looked at and trusted to be the best of us and represent us. Do the right thing because you above all else knows what that is.
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I discharged in 81. I also went to Iraq in 07-08 as a civilian truck driver. I’m not going to be specific. I was amazed at the difference in the honor code, between when I served and today. It would be my responsibility to report a lie. No matter how high the lie originated, period.
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CSM, i am going from the information provided. In both cases, both Soldiers are within standards. Sybject A is allowed to weigh 146, but is 126. Tape is 26%, but authorized 36%. The pod is not relevant, as the tape test is the Army standard. Subject B is allowed 151, but is over 22lbs. However, still within standard based off of the tape test, which indicates she is 11% under. Again, the results of the pod are not relevant.
So my question is this? Is an implication that because the two subjects are similar in height and age, that the information is fabricated? If so, i still could not say that the information is fraudulent. Different people with different body types with different measurements cannot be compared. If i have missed the point completely, please elaborate more so that i will have a more clear understanding. Thank you.
So my question is this? Is an implication that because the two subjects are similar in height and age, that the information is fabricated? If so, i still could not say that the information is fraudulent. Different people with different body types with different measurements cannot be compared. If i have missed the point completely, please elaborate more so that i will have a more clear understanding. Thank you.
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Best thing to do is report it. As a Training NCO I see this crap all the time from different unit best thing to do is report it I've seen it from CSM's, Officers and Junior Enlisted, they always accuse me of being harsh and tell me this isn't basic training anymore I don't have to be a drill sergeant. Well you can add to the regulation but you cant take away the Reg is clear as Daylight. I will go into a dtms and find Soldiers that would miraculously have a passing APFT on a date that no one administered one, and there are others that haven't passed an APFT for 3 or 4 years its sick leadership.
Happened this promotion cycle. E7 submitted a fraudulent 5500 with his packet. I reported the issue because he was the same NCO that got a E4 flagged for H&W right after having surgery. Nothing will happen to that individual because of rank and who he is friends with.
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