Posted on May 5, 2016
What would you do if you knew a MAJ submitted a fraudulent DA Form 705 APFT & DA Form 5500 Body Composition in a packet?
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Here is a point of reference:
Two female Soldiers >40 years old:
Soldier A - 63” tall 126 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 26% Army Wellness Center Pod: 27%
Soldier B - 64” tall 173 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 25% Army Wellness Center Pod: Refused
Discuss.....
Here is a point of reference:
Two female Soldiers >40 years old:
Soldier A - 63” tall 126 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 26% Army Wellness Center Pod: 27%
Soldier B - 64” tall 173 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 25% Army Wellness Center Pod: Refused
Discuss.....
Integrity
APFT
Misconduct
Character
What Would You Do
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You validate what you tolerate... The standard is the standard. However, you cant use AWC as a reference as it is a new program and not part of the 600-9 for H/T.
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SSG, It is a point of reference not the AR standard. It shows that Soldier A data is within 1% of each other. Soldier B of course will not do it, since it would be over 15% difference. The SMEs at the AWC would be able to give input that the taping could not be correct. Of course the solution would be to re-weigh and tape. Hypothetically a way to stop the re-weighing is 1. miss the appointment twice 2. Show up in the wrong uniform and 3, File an IG complaint that you are being targeted. Still what would you do?
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After reading many posts, there obviously is an integrity issue with DA Forms 5500/5501, which calls for a solution. I think we should get height/weight/tape done during our annual Physical Health Assessment. Less probability of getting any fraud, and it is a system already in place. If a Soldier tries to bribe a health care provider, an unnecessary shot might be forthcoming. I personally think we should use the DC current Body Composition devices, and it would be easy for the medical clinics to use them. Then your only official height/weight/tape can come from a medical appointment. It is currently a CDR’s program, and it is not working properly to fulfill its intent. I am truly sorry for all Soldiers that are meeting the standard and have to watch those who do NOT meet the standards get: promotions, awards, AGR Program Acceptance, evaluations stating they are in compliance, certain school, and continued service. It is a disservice to the Soldiers that are in compliance and are held back by those who fail to be in compliance. The individuals that did nothing to stop it or assisted in the integrity violations are just as culpable for allowing this cancer to grow.
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As a CSM in the United States Army, why are you asking? If you don't know what is the correct thing to do, then you are part of the problem as well. NCO the fuck up or shut the fuck up. "I am the backbone of the Army..." Grow one.
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First I am disclosing I am a State of Florida resident.
Please read the question carefully. I already know what I did. I asked what would you do? Your profanity is inappropriate, and you wrote personal attacks toward me. That is the definition of flaming. I do not tolerate flamers nor being flamed. Stop that behavior. I am a woman of worth, and I will not tolerate this. If you would like to discuss the issue without personal attacks, then I will discuss with you.
Please read the question carefully. I already know what I did. I asked what would you do? Your profanity is inappropriate, and you wrote personal attacks toward me. That is the definition of flaming. I do not tolerate flamers nor being flamed. Stop that behavior. I am a woman of worth, and I will not tolerate this. If you would like to discuss the issue without personal attacks, then I will discuss with you.
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