What would you do if you knew a MAJ submitted a fraudulent DA Form 705 APFT & DA Form 5500 Body Composition in a packet?

I would evaluate the situation like this, did the person recently have a medical issue that would allow this? If the answer is no, take it up with the commander. If the answer is yes figure out a way to get the person in the best shape possible for their condition. You are the moral compass of your organization.

CSM, go to the S3 training NCOIC ... That will be the individual that can confirm authenticity of the 705 or the 5500 series results. I for one can say that if I had doubts about anything that I had to input, I required the individual and the tester/taper to sign a statement to the effect that it is true and false reporting would result in either NJP or UCMJ

Report him. I trusted my officers, but I always believed my NCOs when they reported this kind of thing. (And yes, it did happen.

CSM Jane Baldwin...we must report the situattion along with all supporting evidence. I've witnessed situations thorughout my years where someone did not report something and later on, by a separate investigation was brought in front of their superiors to explain. Some individuals received GOMARs, LORs, UCMJ, etc. No what the perceived outcome, we are obligated as US Soldiers to do the right thing. Period.

Why is this even a discussion topic. You prove it then 268 that ass

why in gods green earth would i allow another sm to skate the apft/wt standard when i'm held up to it also

When I was a 1SG for a BDE HHC, it wasn't a major but the CoC must get involved. Retest and re-weight are in order with the Senior Command involved.

Depends on command climate! Although reporting fraud is the right answer, it's not always the practical one. In the 1990s, California National Guard adjutant general, MAJ. Gen. Bob Thrasher, took his P.T. Test in front of state media, scored by an Army Fitness Trainer in response to criticism that part-time soldiers weren't as fit as full time troops. This changed the command climate in California that Thrasher was serious about two PT test and weigh in policy--one dinostic and one for record. It also set a trend of a fit Cal Guard until about 2005 when the command climate changed.

With a more toxic climate, senior ranking officers are often excused from PT(some being excused for five years), overweight generals are unchallenged--but obviously overweight, and double standards exist for NCOs and officers. One honest NCO filed an IG complaint against a general promotable resulting in consequences for the NCO, and an attempt by the adjutant general to grant "amnesty" for the offendinfpg colonel--that the Army rejected.

One must think of their family and career to risk such wrath. However, it appears there again be a story here given the fact that the Army blocked promotion for the New Jersey Adjutant general until he passed the fitness, height, and weight standards awhile back. (I think it took him two years). Perhaps it time to provide whistle blower protection to consciousness NCOs and junior officers to report fraud as well as a media investigation, or maybe congressional Research Report, challenging senior leader fitness, to pressure a command fitness climate. Under Thrasher, he sent the message that he would not ask his troops to do anything he didn't expect himself.

This discourages fraud, and encourages those wanting to live the Army Values.

Fry that fat College girl. I worked so hard to stay on my game. I bet she would burn a soldier down in a blink of an eye over the fat boy shit. I dominated fitness but was a big guy and took a lot of crap over it. Bun baby burn.

If you got no joy through the chain of Command, report it to the proponent of the packet.