Posted on Apr 27, 2016
What would you do if your CSM was ignoring uniform and grooming standards? (CSM Flournoy)
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So this CSM from the the 8th MP BDE seems to be out of regulations. From the comments she has been corrected but she claims she is being harassed. I don't even understand how she got to be a CSM at a BDE. What COL out there is letting this happen? In one of the photos she is wearing stilettos in uniform. WTF? What kind of example is this. The worst is from a Facebook user that said:
"This one!!!! Holy **** she was in charge of us in Afghanistan!! I could go on and on about this toxic leader!! Trying to maintain professionalism but this one.....when a CSM so jacked up like this, she was laughing her ass off during our rehearsal of my brothers ceremony after he was killed in Afghanistan, she f***ing yelled at me because I "took too long saying my goodbye " as I'm f***ing crying kneeling in front of it. This post will probably get me in trouble, and ruin the rest of my army career as well as my day and my army experience."
What would you do if you were there? What if you were on command?
What should the Army do about this?
(Thanks to Army MP WTF Moments and it's followers for the photos.)
**************UPDATE************************
The 8th Theater Sustainment Command CSM will be travelling to the 8th MP BDE to have some one on one time with this CSM. It is amazing as leaders will do when they are being called out. He should have done that a long time ago.
"This one!!!! Holy **** she was in charge of us in Afghanistan!! I could go on and on about this toxic leader!! Trying to maintain professionalism but this one.....when a CSM so jacked up like this, she was laughing her ass off during our rehearsal of my brothers ceremony after he was killed in Afghanistan, she f***ing yelled at me because I "took too long saying my goodbye " as I'm f***ing crying kneeling in front of it. This post will probably get me in trouble, and ruin the rest of my army career as well as my day and my army experience."
What would you do if you were there? What if you were on command?
What should the Army do about this?
(Thanks to Army MP WTF Moments and it's followers for the photos.)
**************UPDATE************************
The 8th Theater Sustainment Command CSM will be travelling to the 8th MP BDE to have some one on one time with this CSM. It is amazing as leaders will do when they are being called out. He should have done that a long time ago.
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I had a PLT SGT as a drill that was like that. A leader that really was not crappy at her job, but yelled at subordinates just tearing privets and battle buddies apart. No teaching.
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Nothing to say since you articulated yourself so well. Sorry to here that she's not only an incompetent SNCO/Sergeant Major, but an insensitive POS for ridiculing you while you were grieving. Hopefully your HHQ will immediately remedy her...via retirement! Semper FI
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CPT Russell Pitre
That wasn't me that she did that to. It was another service member. I'm just a vessel for the story. No one want to say anything directly due to the fear of getting ucmj. But there are so many stories like this. They all have the same theme.
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Call em out! As a (currently) E-5 who has served since 1980, I ain't got nuttin' to lose by doing the right thing! I've done it before (in Japan) and protected my Soldiers. The toxic CSM stood down!
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Is there a remote chance that someone in her unit can covertly follow up on this person and let us know if she changed her ways, her hair style and her attitude? I sure would like to see some corrective action in this regard. Her retirement sounds like it would be good for all concerned too!
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CPT Russell Pitre
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John Burk - She's at it again folks. Various sources have... | Facebook
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Point out the uniform violation in a respectful and professional manner. If nothing is done to correct it, go to the CSM's superior. As a retired MSG, I find this intolerable!
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SFC David Pratt
^ personal courage, duty, selfless service..... an infantry guy would have grabbed some intestinal fortitude and remedied the situation.
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TO FURTHER BACK UP MY FIRST COMMENT, I DIDNT EVEN READ HER CREDS AND KNEW THAT WOULD OPEN UP A ISHSTORM OF COMMENTS AND ACCOLADES. SHE IS THE REAL DEAL AND CAN DO WHAT SHE WANTS TO MAKE HERSELF FEEL LIKE THE WOMAN SHE IS, SHE DESERVES AND HAS EARNED THAT RITE. BESIDES BROTHERS, NONE OF US CAN CREATE AND DELIVER A LIFE. SHE CAN AND DID. HOOOAHHHH CSM
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WELL THAT WOULD BE THE THING TOP, SHE IS A CSM, THAT MAKES HER STAFF, OR CORPORATE FOR THOSE WHO DONT KNOW, AND THEY DO WHAT THE HELL THE LIKE MOST TIMES. AND SHE IS IN THE DESERT YO. YOU SAID SHE IS S2 S3 RITE AND WIT THE PO PO, HA LEAVE THAT BE BRAH. I FEEL YA ON DA 670-1 THOUGH.
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CPT Russell Pitre
Do you even English? I don't know what you are even trying to say. It is like an epileptic at a strobe like convention. She is a worthless CSM that is about as close to the standard as you are with English. I am more curious how you made it to SSG with such a control of the English language.
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SFC David Pratt
most of the SMA's in my 20 yrs of service couldn't even put their uniform together right for their command board photos. This is hard to believe because after McKinney (until Daley), the SMA's didn't have that much on their uniform. Another example of leaders failing to lead by example.
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Even when I was on active duty I would politely say CSM you are in violation of AR 670-1 grooming standards. Wouldn't matter to me if I got chewed out, I am correct and she is wrong. As a civilian which I am now I would be all up in her ass, she can't do anything to me know. It would be CSM fix yourself. You are supposed to lead by example and the example you are showing right now is shit.
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