Posted on Apr 27, 2016
What would you do if your CSM was ignoring uniform and grooming standards? (CSM Flournoy)
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So this CSM from the the 8th MP BDE seems to be out of regulations. From the comments she has been corrected but she claims she is being harassed. I don't even understand how she got to be a CSM at a BDE. What COL out there is letting this happen? In one of the photos she is wearing stilettos in uniform. WTF? What kind of example is this. The worst is from a Facebook user that said:
"This one!!!! Holy **** she was in charge of us in Afghanistan!! I could go on and on about this toxic leader!! Trying to maintain professionalism but this one.....when a CSM so jacked up like this, she was laughing her ass off during our rehearsal of my brothers ceremony after he was killed in Afghanistan, she f***ing yelled at me because I "took too long saying my goodbye " as I'm f***ing crying kneeling in front of it. This post will probably get me in trouble, and ruin the rest of my army career as well as my day and my army experience."
What would you do if you were there? What if you were on command?
What should the Army do about this?
(Thanks to Army MP WTF Moments and it's followers for the photos.)
**************UPDATE************************
The 8th Theater Sustainment Command CSM will be travelling to the 8th MP BDE to have some one on one time with this CSM. It is amazing as leaders will do when they are being called out. He should have done that a long time ago.
"This one!!!! Holy **** she was in charge of us in Afghanistan!! I could go on and on about this toxic leader!! Trying to maintain professionalism but this one.....when a CSM so jacked up like this, she was laughing her ass off during our rehearsal of my brothers ceremony after he was killed in Afghanistan, she f***ing yelled at me because I "took too long saying my goodbye " as I'm f***ing crying kneeling in front of it. This post will probably get me in trouble, and ruin the rest of my army career as well as my day and my army experience."
What would you do if you were there? What if you were on command?
What should the Army do about this?
(Thanks to Army MP WTF Moments and it's followers for the photos.)
**************UPDATE************************
The 8th Theater Sustainment Command CSM will be travelling to the 8th MP BDE to have some one on one time with this CSM. It is amazing as leaders will do when they are being called out. He should have done that a long time ago.
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In my own opinion, having worked in the EO office.. Her senior leadership may be afraid to push the issue too far or hard.. all it takes is an accusation of sexual harassment in an UN-offical capacity to ruin a career.. She, apparently has already pulled the .."I'm being harassed or picked on." card.. The CSM level is way beyond the level of the need for someone to tell you how to dress and act. Lord help her if she ever gets a female COL.. or comes across my old CSM.. she would eat that lunch...
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Over my 25 years of service, regardless of my rank I had no problem to correct anyone in uniform. This include the Division Commander when I was Specialist E-4. I delt with female soldiers, those of different religions, and of different, colors. As a leader, a soldier is a soldier regardless of rank, color, sex, religion, etc.,. On must occasions I would be thanked by the individual for correcting there actions, uniforms, etc., and the problem was resolved. On a few occasions I had to bring the issue to there command. There were also times when I had to bring the issue further up the chain of command. Never once did I feel that a soldiers regardless of what ranks behavior, or failure to follow requlations, was the fault of the COC. Any leader that points the finger at someone else is not an effective leader.
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As a SSG I had no problem with upholding the standard no matter rank. A CSM! Shame, worries me that my Army has a senior enlisted with such disregard for herself, rank, and the Army as a whole.
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Depressing that the PC issue has gone crazy. Back in my days 1984-87 this would be totally unacceptable. Standards are standards. NO EXCEPTIONS That's what separates the Military from the civilian world. We had higher standards.
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What the FXXK is a sustainment CSM. Senior NCOs keep creating all these new positions CSMs did not exsist in WW2 it was the first SGT who was senior in grade who ran a BN or REG or Division Most of CSMs I knew got out of the Army and got jobs collecting money for CFC from the troops. This CSM who is being investigated by the chain of command officers looking into this or why isn't Jag looking into it All that will be done is a bullet on a NCOER that is not positive Loss of respect is the loss of ability to do her job
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I'm astounded! Pull her out of command. She ihas no respect for Army standards. What kind of example is she setting for her troops?
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