Posted on Apr 27, 2016
What would you do if your CSM was ignoring uniform and grooming standards? (CSM Flournoy)
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So this CSM from the the 8th MP BDE seems to be out of regulations. From the comments she has been corrected but she claims she is being harassed. I don't even understand how she got to be a CSM at a BDE. What COL out there is letting this happen? In one of the photos she is wearing stilettos in uniform. WTF? What kind of example is this. The worst is from a Facebook user that said:
"This one!!!! Holy **** she was in charge of us in Afghanistan!! I could go on and on about this toxic leader!! Trying to maintain professionalism but this one.....when a CSM so jacked up like this, she was laughing her ass off during our rehearsal of my brothers ceremony after he was killed in Afghanistan, she f***ing yelled at me because I "took too long saying my goodbye " as I'm f***ing crying kneeling in front of it. This post will probably get me in trouble, and ruin the rest of my army career as well as my day and my army experience."
What would you do if you were there? What if you were on command?
What should the Army do about this?
(Thanks to Army MP WTF Moments and it's followers for the photos.)
**************UPDATE************************
The 8th Theater Sustainment Command CSM will be travelling to the 8th MP BDE to have some one on one time with this CSM. It is amazing as leaders will do when they are being called out. He should have done that a long time ago.
"This one!!!! Holy **** she was in charge of us in Afghanistan!! I could go on and on about this toxic leader!! Trying to maintain professionalism but this one.....when a CSM so jacked up like this, she was laughing her ass off during our rehearsal of my brothers ceremony after he was killed in Afghanistan, she f***ing yelled at me because I "took too long saying my goodbye " as I'm f***ing crying kneeling in front of it. This post will probably get me in trouble, and ruin the rest of my army career as well as my day and my army experience."
What would you do if you were there? What if you were on command?
What should the Army do about this?
(Thanks to Army MP WTF Moments and it's followers for the photos.)
**************UPDATE************************
The 8th Theater Sustainment Command CSM will be travelling to the 8th MP BDE to have some one on one time with this CSM. It is amazing as leaders will do when they are being called out. He should have done that a long time ago.
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It's a shame that an E-9 walks around looking like a shitbird instead of showing the troops on how an enlisted leader should look, behave and be a role model for junior enlisted people
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Thanks for bringing this discussion to my attention....this is one sad and unbelievable story....it is difficult for me to believe that this is the same US Army that I served in in VN....to allow this person to rise in the ranks...especially the NCO Corp is beyond comprehension....all the individuals along the chain of command that had anything to do with promoting this individual should be ashamed of their weakness in recognizing the lack of qualification that this individual has....get this person out of the system!
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This is so important that I think it should be referred to the IG for resolution. I was assigned to the IG for a couple of years and twice we forced a retirement of E-9's for similar problems while I was there. In both cases they were well researched before our recommendations went forward. When this kind of action is going and the existing command structure has not dealt with issue it is time to raise it to the next level.
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First of all it's obvious the unit has no leadership or she wouldn't be appearing like she is in a Hollywood movie lot. She is a disgrace to be in uniform. The morale in this unit has to be terrible to see a CSM's appearance to be acceptable by the chain of command.
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SGM Bill Preston
If I had the authority I would relieve the Commander & the CSM. The removal would tell the troops that disregarding regulations and standards are unacceptable regardless of rank or position. It is the duty of all NCO's to ensure military standards of appearance are followed and to lead by example.
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CPT Larry Hudson
I would relieve the command officer the CSM serves, issue the CSM a reprimand and or reduction of rank.
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I would speak to her woman to woman- one time- then we would be going back to the "old school". I have no patience whatsoever for people who disrespect others, the uniform, or my country. By the looks of the article and the comments, she is doing all 3. I would jump both feet knee deep back in the trailer park all over her- sometimes people's remember an ass kicking more than a tongue lashing- Semper Fi
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She would be gone not just from the BDE, but from the Army. I question myself how she would have gotten to the rank of CSM in the first place much less remained in the Army. Are we that hard up in the services where we let things like this happen. Must have been a lot of change since I retired in 1987. Her chain of command needs to get off their hind sides and become much for effective in dealing with this individual. At a minimum she needs to be relieved!!!!
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Sgt William Straub Jr.
I may be jumping to conclusions or just old. I believe by looking at the picture, that PC in many ways contributed to her having the rank. I never saw that type of display during my active duty years. This generation seems to believe the rules are for someone else.
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I am a retired SFC from Infantry and Combat Engineer threads. I am now an NYPD officer. I always speak of how the Army runs without a union and gets the job done. Unlike the police department. But when you see issues like this, where a leader is a manager instead, is disgusting. This is the problem with our countryright now, a sense of entitlement, where its let me be, and pay me. Pathetic, and embarassing! I hope she received the counseling she deserves and places the trust back into the soldiers, indicating what leadership really is.
I have a son on active duty, and I tell him learn from your leadership the good and the bad, and do the right thing.
I have a son on active duty, and I tell him learn from your leadership the good and the bad, and do the right thing.
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This CSM should be removed from the position (if what had been said about her is true) and demoted her commander should be given a letter of reprimand for allowing this to go on.
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Seriously are there no officers in that unit? Why isn't someone fixing her. My guess is that she has made a career of claiming harassment and filed chargers on a few superiors and none of her current superiors have the balls to make the case against her. If I am right then that unit needs an asshole like me to knit the charge sheet together against her.
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