Posted on Apr 27, 2016
What would you do if your CSM was ignoring uniform and grooming standards? (CSM Flournoy)
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So this CSM from the the 8th MP BDE seems to be out of regulations. From the comments she has been corrected but she claims she is being harassed. I don't even understand how she got to be a CSM at a BDE. What COL out there is letting this happen? In one of the photos she is wearing stilettos in uniform. WTF? What kind of example is this. The worst is from a Facebook user that said:
"This one!!!! Holy **** she was in charge of us in Afghanistan!! I could go on and on about this toxic leader!! Trying to maintain professionalism but this one.....when a CSM so jacked up like this, she was laughing her ass off during our rehearsal of my brothers ceremony after he was killed in Afghanistan, she f***ing yelled at me because I "took too long saying my goodbye " as I'm f***ing crying kneeling in front of it. This post will probably get me in trouble, and ruin the rest of my army career as well as my day and my army experience."
What would you do if you were there? What if you were on command?
What should the Army do about this?
(Thanks to Army MP WTF Moments and it's followers for the photos.)
**************UPDATE************************
The 8th Theater Sustainment Command CSM will be travelling to the 8th MP BDE to have some one on one time with this CSM. It is amazing as leaders will do when they are being called out. He should have done that a long time ago.
"This one!!!! Holy **** she was in charge of us in Afghanistan!! I could go on and on about this toxic leader!! Trying to maintain professionalism but this one.....when a CSM so jacked up like this, she was laughing her ass off during our rehearsal of my brothers ceremony after he was killed in Afghanistan, she f***ing yelled at me because I "took too long saying my goodbye " as I'm f***ing crying kneeling in front of it. This post will probably get me in trouble, and ruin the rest of my army career as well as my day and my army experience."
What would you do if you were there? What if you were on command?
What should the Army do about this?
(Thanks to Army MP WTF Moments and it's followers for the photos.)
**************UPDATE************************
The 8th Theater Sustainment Command CSM will be travelling to the 8th MP BDE to have some one on one time with this CSM. It is amazing as leaders will do when they are being called out. He should have done that a long time ago.
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Let's just say I'm glad to be a Veteran and not have to filter myself anymore. Don't know that I could with someone like this. I'd tell her exactly what I think, especially when it comes to disrespecting a fallen soldier. For those still in uniform, you could always try the old "let's take our rank off and deal with this". I'm sure she would never go for it. Most like her never do, trust me I know. But at least you can call them out publicly and make them look like a bitch.
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NCOs must maintain the standard and their commanders back them up. Counseling, yes! Checks of prior reports and schedule follow-up review. If a lapse in judgement should be the end of it. If not start the process.
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Apparently she was spreading her legs for the man who could protect her position.
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Leadership....what is it about that person you respect, that you would follow, endure hardship...even possible injury or death, because you can not bear the thought of disappointing them.
On the other hand, what about that leader who lacks basic standards and qualities which makes those question their judgement and skills as a professional.
Pattern yourself off those who you respect. Learn what they have, adopt their attitudes and philosophy....and become a great leader. Members of the military are a small minority of dedicated citizens who have choosen a path not well traveled by others. We are unique and must stay united as a team with one common goal. Everyone must be respected, yet disciplined when required. If that individual can not conform to the regs and becomes a chronic obstacle to the mission....they must be relieved.
On the other hand, what about that leader who lacks basic standards and qualities which makes those question their judgement and skills as a professional.
Pattern yourself off those who you respect. Learn what they have, adopt their attitudes and philosophy....and become a great leader. Members of the military are a small minority of dedicated citizens who have choosen a path not well traveled by others. We are unique and must stay united as a team with one common goal. Everyone must be respected, yet disciplined when required. If that individual can not conform to the regs and becomes a chronic obstacle to the mission....they must be relieved.
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One of the reasons I got out of the Army. To many people who just didn't give a damn.
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I have a huge issue with this for anyone in leadership positions. You are the example. You influence but what you do or do not do. I have carried this approach into the civilian world and unfortunately, I tend to be disappointed. This soldiers ability to have the honor of promoting to this rank shows the failure of the leadership along the way, too.
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War is a tough job and people are going to get killed and in that world there are those in charge few but there are now and then forget regulations because its just plain forgetfulness.and stress and the leaders come into your world by way of a paper trail Degree where the majority of who you work with in the field do not have. That mind set you have id drilled into you dna and you as a Grunt or Noncom will not ever forget where they stand and how to address the day. I dont mean to take anything away from a female soldier as far as leadership skills I do know a few very good highly qualified but on the flip side some where your going to run into one like you have. Stay strong and keep your faith high and you head low and get back home. Bless you in your endeavors and work for our country in time with the Lord on your side you will be back home soon enough. Some people can try to carve a retirement out of the military and some of us just get screwed. You may want you to rethink your end game.
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As a NCO and a soldier, we have STANDARDS and standards are the glue that keep this Army and are brother forces together. If we deviated from this. Then what standard will we stand for......
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the military is different from other kinds of life.
general patton was a superior officer and leader, but he ran into all kinds of trouble for the way he did things, successful though they may be.
general patton was a superior officer and leader, but he ran into all kinds of trouble for the way he did things, successful though they may be.
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