What would you do if your CSM was ignoring uniform and grooming standards? (CSM Flournoy)

Clearly I would call her out on her issues. Regulations are regulations. I actually spent much to much of my time doing this as the only female CPO at my last duty station. Then if she didn't conform to standards, take it up the chain and if necessary, write her up!

Have you all dozed off? The one action to take when a situation like this is having an obvious negative effect on morale and disciplon—contact the IG's office. It is their JOB to deal with problems like this and genrally their impartiality and expertise is a given.

Sadly the military has gotten so soft and so political that our mean and women are not allowed to do there jobs without being scrutinized from the Commander in Chef down. I can only speak out for the Navy that a recruit can use a stress card so he or she can opt out of certain training because they do not like that part of the truing. Do they think that our foes care going to let you use a stress card to op out of being attack or even killed, or as a POW. What happened in the Gulf with our sailors being caught and held against there will and how they conducted there selfs was so shameful and a dark day for the US Military. This is a prime example of how soft and political the military has become. These sailors should have never been put in this roll when we have HIGHLY TRAINED NAVAL SPECIAL WARFARE SWCC SAILORS who go through a rigorous and demanding training course and are specially trained to do the job. This embarrassing act would never had happened if SWCC was doing this job in which they are trained for. Never surrender as long as you have the means to fight or resist. Some Genius Officer that came up with this idea to make a unit for fleet sailors to do a temp assignment to take on the roll of the BROWN WATER SAILOR and it is a disaster. Ho ever came up with is Unit that started back during the Iraq War, was someone who probably wanted to be a SWCC OR SEAL and could not meet the requirements or even to scared to try to go for it. This is a prime example of what is wrong with the military today, Leaders who have know clue and who can not even follow the dress code. We need to make changes so this "SH.....T" does not happen. This is a waste of government funds. I would love to see Commands be awarded for saving money without worrying about loosing there funding fore the next Fiscal year. The Commands that save money that they are allotted for that Quarter, schooled be able to put that money into there MWR FUND to use on there troops for cook outs and family events to help with the morale of there Command or Unit or what ever each branch call it. I have been out for a long time and I have a SON IN LAW serving now and friends who are serving in all branches who tell me how it is now for them, and the changes that have been put in place, and I wonder why would any one want to serve today. I would like to say THANK YOU TO ALL WHO ARE SERVING AND WHO HAVE SERVED THIS GREAT COUNTRY. Punting Country above ones self is a great HONOR!! HOO-YAH TO YOU ALL!!!! GOD BLESS AMERICA AND GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!

Take appropriate action according to the UMCJ. In the military you are to lead by example and to make sure your junior people follow the the same guide lines. In this case maybe a possible reduction in rank, and to hold training to personnel about grooming standards and to show what happens to those who do not fallow the UMCJ and also what has been thought in Bootcamp. This is unacceptable, and if I was the CO or XO of this command I would have not allowed this to happen. Sadly the military has gotten way to soft. We need to go back to the military of the 60's and 70"S and maybe even further.

What would I do? Definitely confront the CSM (privately) then, if no action is taken, utilize her chain of command to have it corrected. There is no excuse. My wife had waist long hair served 20 years (5 as NCO Academy instructor) and never a hair out of place. Even in the field.

I would respectfully bring it to the CSM attention. All but one CSM have CSMs over them. And Officers appointed over them also have a voice. Shouldn't be an issue

I would continue to do my job and inforce the standard. CSM dosn't have to in force the standard to maintain discipline. That is our job as NCOs period. Now if he dosn't support NCOs inforcing standards that is an issue that warrants serious concern.

As a SSG I once corrected a SGM. He was outside walking across an open area in front of me with his hands in his pockets and hat sitting on the back of his head. I did not know who he was when I corrected him until he turned around. However, I repeated my request that he should remove his hand from his pockets and put his hat on properly. He was pissed and could not believe that a SSG would dare try to correct his military bearing and appearance. I stated that as a SGM he should be setting the example and if he had any problems with that I would be happy to accompany him to his HQs and discuss it with his commander. He replied that I must be a real asshole and put his hat on straight and moved on! Chances are if I had known in advance that he was a SGM , I may or may not have said anything directly to him. But, once I spoke, I could not back down even after I saw what his rank was.

I have commented on several postings on this issue. In everyone I have commented on they have said one thing in common. Take it to her command or her superiors, well they have. I was a NCO in the Marine Corps and got busted because of my own stupidity. I would never correct anyone or lead any one if my stuff was not squared away. Seeing this sticks in my craw as they say. Cause she is supposed to be the one that all of the enlisted is supposed to look up to for guidance. I am sorry she is not back on the block. As they say ship up or ship out. I for one would ask her if she thinks, she is a example or a spectacle.

If this is the second time addessing this issue then she should be reprimanded and forced to retire. It is obvious that she either does not care or she thinks she above the Army standards; and that is unacceptable!!!