Posted on Apr 27, 2016
What would you do if your CSM was ignoring uniform and grooming standards? (CSM Flournoy)
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So this CSM from the the 8th MP BDE seems to be out of regulations. From the comments she has been corrected but she claims she is being harassed. I don't even understand how she got to be a CSM at a BDE. What COL out there is letting this happen? In one of the photos she is wearing stilettos in uniform. WTF? What kind of example is this. The worst is from a Facebook user that said:
"This one!!!! Holy **** she was in charge of us in Afghanistan!! I could go on and on about this toxic leader!! Trying to maintain professionalism but this one.....when a CSM so jacked up like this, she was laughing her ass off during our rehearsal of my brothers ceremony after he was killed in Afghanistan, she f***ing yelled at me because I "took too long saying my goodbye " as I'm f***ing crying kneeling in front of it. This post will probably get me in trouble, and ruin the rest of my army career as well as my day and my army experience."
What would you do if you were there? What if you were on command?
What should the Army do about this?
(Thanks to Army MP WTF Moments and it's followers for the photos.)
**************UPDATE************************
The 8th Theater Sustainment Command CSM will be travelling to the 8th MP BDE to have some one on one time with this CSM. It is amazing as leaders will do when they are being called out. He should have done that a long time ago.
"This one!!!! Holy **** she was in charge of us in Afghanistan!! I could go on and on about this toxic leader!! Trying to maintain professionalism but this one.....when a CSM so jacked up like this, she was laughing her ass off during our rehearsal of my brothers ceremony after he was killed in Afghanistan, she f***ing yelled at me because I "took too long saying my goodbye " as I'm f***ing crying kneeling in front of it. This post will probably get me in trouble, and ruin the rest of my army career as well as my day and my army experience."
What would you do if you were there? What if you were on command?
What should the Army do about this?
(Thanks to Army MP WTF Moments and it's followers for the photos.)
**************UPDATE************************
The 8th Theater Sustainment Command CSM will be travelling to the 8th MP BDE to have some one on one time with this CSM. It is amazing as leaders will do when they are being called out. He should have done that a long time ago.
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War is a tough job and people are going to get killed and in that world there are those in charge few but there are now and then forget regulations because its just plain forgetfulness.and stress and the leaders come into your world by way of a paper trail Degree where the majority of who you work with in the field do not have. That mind set you have id drilled into you dna and you as a Grunt or Noncom will not ever forget where they stand and how to address the day. I dont mean to take anything away from a female soldier as far as leadership skills I do know a few very good highly qualified but on the flip side some where your going to run into one like you have. Stay strong and keep your faith high and you head low and get back home. Bless you in your endeavors and work for our country in time with the Lord on your side you will be back home soon enough. Some people can try to carve a retirement out of the military and some of us just get screwed. You may want you to rethink your end game.
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As a NCO and a soldier, we have STANDARDS and standards are the glue that keep this Army and are brother forces together. If we deviated from this. Then what standard will we stand for......
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the military is different from other kinds of life.
general patton was a superior officer and leader, but he ran into all kinds of trouble for the way he did things, successful though they may be.
general patton was a superior officer and leader, but he ran into all kinds of trouble for the way he did things, successful though they may be.
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the same way csm fedder made it we at the missile sight never liked fedder he did not fit in he was above average in every way but his social skills so we pushed him off to do other tasks and if there was a school we sent fedder pretty soon he passed all of us up for promotion and then the upper command found a lap dog that wound do their bidding and feder had nothing to loose no one cared for him , think about it
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Maintain standard no matter what CSM does. Just because they are a POS doesn't mean that I have to be one. Take care of your own sh*t.
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Maybe put her in the front leaning test..lol.
Definitely call her aside and correct her.
Definitely call her aside and correct her.
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It is the duty of a senior NCO to see that other NCOs and enlisted soldiers adhere to military standards - in their appearance and actions. I want to believe this was properly corrected.
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I'm glad someone is finally going to hold her accountable, but think about how many soldiers she corrected and how many corrected the CSM before she complied... Her O-6 surely could have said something to her while standing by the coffee machine right after PT, or were they too busy worrying about PT Belts...? Only joking about PT Belts of course... Then again, I retired in 1999 hence outdated, fat, going bald, take Motrin to get up, and Motrin before I go to bed... I'm sure AR670-1 changed to accommodate the CSM, no?
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