Posted on Jan 7, 2016
CPT Russell Pitre
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I just saw this video and felt like I was watching a multi-car accident on the interstate. It just got worse as it went on. What made it so bad as this was a SGT. The Safety was professional as he could be. Hats off to him. When I heard her say "I'm not Active Duty" I would have kicked her off the range. I am glad the Safety told her that she was a soldier and that he was a reservist too. If I was her CO I would have do everything I could to reduce her. But I think if you have a NCO like this in your unit the unit itself has a lot of issues in the first place. What kills me also is that she has a combat patch.

What would you have if you were the Safety?

Just so you know that you know it is believed that they Safety was a SSG just the same as was the soldier trying to load the mag.

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SSgt Christopher Brose
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I'd have put her in charge of reloading magazines for the rest of the day(s).
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CPT Russell Pitre
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That is a good idea.
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CSM Bn Ssa
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Another example of Soldiers being promoted before they are ready. With all the changes to the promotion system the past couple years we have Soldiers being promoted without even putting in a promotion packet. Just because they meet TIG and TIS does not mean they should lead. The whole system needs to be reworked. You have NCO's being RCP'd because they cant get promoted due to their promotion points being 798 regularly. Its sad that we push out our most trained and experienced NCO's and just replace them with younger inexperienced ones.
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MAJ Contracting Officer
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Don't let ISIS see this video or it will be all over their recruiting videos!
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CPT Russell Pitre
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LOL. It would make us look bad.
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SSG General Services Technician And State Vehicle Inspector
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I just saw this video yesterday too, and subsequently posted it on my FB page, tagging all of my NCO friends. This is just totally ridiculous. The "SGT" (I not only use that term VERY lightly but I won't call her an NCO) is unprofessional at worst and heavily untrained at best. I've done nearly every single job at a range to include being the Range OIC and the RSO (not at the same time, mind you). If I was the RSO, she would have been kicked off IMMEDIATELY and notified her chain of command. Depends on my mood, I might have counseled her after I pulled her off. She's an embarrassment to the NCO Corps.
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1LT William Clardy
1LT William Clardy
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SSG (Join to see), what would you do if you were the RSO and saw one of your range personnel operating a smart phone when he's supposed to making sure that the firing line is ready?
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SSG General Services Technician And State Vehicle Inspector
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1LT William Clardy, excellent question. I was wondering if someone would notice that aspect of it. I would approach the Safety and inquire what is going on. I would react appropriately depending on the circumstances and his answer. Regarding this particular situation, I would have pulled the SGT (still NOT calling her an NCO) off the line, verbally counseled her and sent her to remedial training. I would also inform the Safety his phone needs to be put away and not used since his duties as a Safety are critical to the safe operation of a range. I would also thank him for being diligent and assertive in dealing with the clearly untrained SGT. Thoughts?
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1LT William Clardy
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I would have shushed both of them off the firing line, her to get some overdue training in loading techniques and him to get a one-on-one rebriefing on what his duties and priorities are supposed to be while he is on my firing line. If I knew him well enough to judge that this was an out-of-character lapse, I'd send him back to the firing line after (1) suggesting he practice the "mutual respect" aspect of communicating with a peer a little better, (2) reminding him that preserving safety and training quality is even more critical when dealing with untrained personnel, (3) instructing him to deposit his phone with my range NCOIC (to be reissued only after the range had gone cold for the day) and (4) having him pick up some stripper-clip guides from the ammo point to distribute along the firing line. If I didn't have reason to believe he already knew better than to whip out that phone, I'd pull him off the line, confiscate his phone and inform him that he could fetch it back from his first sergeant after I got back to the cantonment area. Harsher than your suggestion, but I think reasonably so. Your thoughts?

As to not calling the firer an NCO, well, she is one whether you think she should be or not. I learned that lesson as a corporal when I didn't manage to keep a grimace-free face while I was at battalion headquarters (1-501 INF, not some support unit) as a master sergeant pontificated about how all this marksmanship stuff was a waste of time because he never once aimed his rifle during the firefights he was in (in Vietnam). As I recall, the battalion CSM and my first sergeant both agreed with the master sergeant that a corporal should always show proper respect to a senior NCO (although I do vaguely remember somebody rephrasing it later on as "he's an E-8 first and an idiot second" along with some caustic comments about foul moods caused by getting stuck with having to endorse an idiot -- I learned more than one lesson that day).
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SSG General Services Technician And State Vehicle Inspector
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1LT William Clardy, I can agree with your COA although IMVSO I think it is a little harsh. Regardless of my feelings and personal COA though, if it was you (as the OIC) approaching both Soldiers then I (as either the RSO or NCOIC) would definitely support and back you up.

Regarding the NCO bit, I stand by my assessment of the SGT. Yes, she is in technical essence an NCO but I would NOT call her that since she has failed to act and behave as a Noncommissioned Officer, which is to be the immediate leadership of and set the example for the junior enlisted. ANY Service-member who does not know the very basics of BRM should definitely NOT be in the NCO or Petty Officer ranks. I am not saying they need to be experts in Marksmanship let alone with military grade firearms but they should know the very basics which many learn for the first time in basic training. A person may "hold" the rank of SGT, or SSG, or SFC, etc (or the equivalent in sister branches) but that does NOT mean they are NCOs by any means especially when they don't know the basics.
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PO1 Richard Nyberg
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That would be strange because if he went through basic training he should know how.
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SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth
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If he can't load a magazine properly, why is he an NCO? If a private or a SPC has show him, it's a shame.
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LTC Jeff Shearer
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to me that may or may not be a reflection of the good SGT. If the SGT cant load because she is having a hard time with it, train her ass off. Train her every available opportunity.

If the unit, i.e. platoon/company just dont have time to train because they are too busy typing stuff or cleaning offices, that is no go and a much deeper problem. When the company or platoon leadership should have random people in the unit give training that is outside their expertise. There are a million reasons that could have happened. The important part is the leadership should help make the soldier as complete as possible. I could write volumes about this but I will not bore yall, however, if yall want to discuss it over a beer or a whiskey come on over.
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SSgt Douglas King
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To the best of my knowledge, (Retired Security Forces) this looks like a belt fed weapon not magazine fed. And the belt is on wrong side and backwards. I know that the weapons have changed since i retired in 1995 but not in that manner. Please correct me if i am wrong. Active duty or not you are wearing that uniform. Thank you very much for your service.
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SSG Recruiter
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First of all reservists get very little training and are lucky if they get 2 days a year at the range.
When I was a PMI in the Marine Corps, i had a female Gunny who hadn't loaded an M16A2 since basic training. This was during the 90's instead of belittling her, I took a minute and taught her. I spent more time with her than my other shooters. She ended up qualifying expert forr first time.
As a safety NCO your job is to look for SAFETY. Since when does not knowing how to load a magazine constitute a safety violation? Why not take the time to teach someone and bring to your level?
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SFC Platoon Sergeant
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Well... is she 1) A prior service vet frkm another branch, where she did NOT receive firearms training ? Or 2) Is she from a unit that does NOT stress the importance of training to thdir troops. I have seen both scenerios... Let us not belittle this service member until we have all of the facts
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