Posted on Jan 7, 2016
CPT Russell Pitre
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I just saw this video and felt like I was watching a multi-car accident on the interstate. It just got worse as it went on. What made it so bad as this was a SGT. The Safety was professional as he could be. Hats off to him. When I heard her say "I'm not Active Duty" I would have kicked her off the range. I am glad the Safety told her that she was a soldier and that he was a reservist too. If I was her CO I would have do everything I could to reduce her. But I think if you have a NCO like this in your unit the unit itself has a lot of issues in the first place. What kills me also is that she has a combat patch.

What would you have if you were the Safety?

Just so you know that you know it is believed that they Safety was a SSG just the same as was the soldier trying to load the mag.

https://www.facebook.com/Theseniorspecialist/videos/ [login to see] 43848/?fref=nf
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CPT William Jones
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Looks like she needs a bit of extra training. I was a combat Engr officer in RVN and we has a 20 minute class in the proper way to fill sandbags it include one to three people to fill them a 1.5 hour practical exercise in filling the bags. One could do that for loading ammo mags also. Lesson plan and everything required for extra training. The IG even liked the training when he came to check out our abusing the troops. Plan was adopted Corps wide.
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LTC Robert Gray
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When the WACs where transitioned into the branches we encountered a number of female soldiers who did not know how to perform basic weapons functions. They did not qualify on weapons. Lt Knutson was one of those. We checked out a 16 and taught her. On the weekend we went an informal range and took her through an intensive shooting session over two days. She qualified expert and became a hard core shooter.

It is obvious that the SGT had missed a part of her training. Should not be punitive but should receive remedial training.
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SSG Paul Newman
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I've been out and procedures and even weapons have changed a lot since then. I know not all mos's get as much range time and field training as others. After my first enlistment as a medic in a rifle platoon, when I re-upped I was sent to nursing school. When I got posted to a hospital afterwards I would be sent to the range with Doctors, nurses and chaplains and the like who basically saw their weapons once a year when they qualified. As a grunt medic I got to shoot almost everything in the inventory ( couldn't open a range then without a medic on sight and after all the qualifying was done, the range detail would often get to shoot up some of the leftover ammo). I had a blast teaching Doc's and preachers to shoot and so did they. Give this Sgt. A break she may not be Rambo but when you're in the OR with your life hanging by a thread she might be the one who saves you.
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CW3 Doyle Frost
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No soldier on any firing line I was responsible for would be that ignorant. When I first got my warrant, I was put in charge of our unit's weapons training. Got a few young privates that had just enlisted and got their uniforms, had not even been to basic yet Got out the "Soldier's Handbook" and made them read it. After they had told me they had finished it, I started to question them. Then, we went to the arms room and and I had them demonstrate their familiarity with the M-16's. Every one of them checked out fine. One in particular, was outstanding. Even had him conducting refresher classes on maintenance of their individual weapons for the rest of the company. (Last I saw, he had transferred to an ANG infantry unit, and was, by then, an SSG.) As far as the "female issue," forget it. Every female in our unit was expected to pull their own weight. You loaded your own magazines, regardless of who you were, from the C.O. on down.
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MAJ Shannon Read
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I was a reservist in Med Corps. We were constantly begging for ammo. Big Army didn't think we needed it so we got little to no range training. I had it in Basic but that's it. When I got Activated I let them know up front that I was willing but inexperienced.
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PO3 Tony Helland
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show him/ her how... why make a big deal out of it, nobodies perfect
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MSG Dan Castaneda
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I would teach her.
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SFC Alan Payne
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When you only have two days of training a month and two and a half weeks of camp to train... Then take away time for all the mandatory bs, which strangely involves little or nothing to do with soldiering in a real sense, more time for other admin stuff, more time for various maintenance tasks... Very soon your training time has been significantly reduced. My experience as a National Guard infantryman will serve nicely to demonstrate the problem. When I started with my unit we were equipped with M113 APC’s. Not much to them, drive em, wash em, check oil and tracks, put em away til next time. Training time was minimally impacted by requirements of the vehicle. Then we were slated to receive the Bradley. Very exciting! I read the gunnery manual cover to cover. I learned one major thing, we didn’t have enough training time in our annual training time to be able to ever actually qualify to standard. And that was before all the time was lost to the aforementioned non Mos specific stuff. The Bradley requirements greatly increased PMCS time before and after use. To be able to go to gunnery (which goes all the way to table twelve but under conditions where deployments were not imminent we only went to table eight) all SM’s have to have qualified on their personal weapons within three months prior to the actual gunnery training. If we were qualifying on weekends then we were generally capable of completing one table per weekend but one table for a battalion took two weekends because we were self supporting so gunnery takes six months of training for a battalion, not including makeup for crews that fail a table first time around on a specific weekend and have to perform that table again another weekend. Snowballs. This is only one issue that we faced with our limited training time. I will say that when deployed on real world stuff, Bosnia and Iraq that my company , A 1/120 INF, were a very well trained and fully capable bunch of guys and I believe it is safe to say the same for the rest of the brigade, 30th Infantry Brigade (HVY)(SEP) “OLD HICKORY”. What made the difference between “not enough time” and being actually qualified and competent? The soldiers. Guard soldiers are mainly in combat units and have a care and pride in what they are doing that is immense, their willingness to go above and beyond is phenomenal. As always there were exceptions, our leadership challenges! Leadership was another entirely different challenge than AD. Much work is conducted while in an unpaid status, troops callled in to conduct extra training and admin on their own time after a full days work on a civilian job. Leaders have to prepare training, evaluations etc between drills. Visit soldiers with problems, including those of their civilian life that affect their military life, that’s one that is not nearly as big a problem for AD leaders. These are not complaints, this was part of the challenge of this type of service and I relished it. I found it far more satisfying than my active duty time with the British Army and the USMC.
I hope this illustrates the problem faced by reserve soldiers in staying competent, currrent and ready. It’s a great challenge and not for everybody! I miss it more than I ever thought I would.
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CPL Wheeled Vehicle Mechanic
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She would be off the range
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SPC Joshua Brumley
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If she needed a refresher on a common task, that's one thing; in the case of magazine loading it be 2 minutes, tops, to be shown how to do it. She might have gotten a bit of grief for forgetting, but that's why we train. She should've just asked for a quick refresher and drove on.
But getting on the firing line and then confessing you forgot? Well, you deserve the embarrassment, (at the very minimum), that's coming.
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SFC Jose Collazo
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First of all everyone going to the range suppose to get refresher classes right there on the range before going on line!!! Leadership and training NCO problem!
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SPC Unscheduled Services Team Leader
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I’m not an NCO but I’d pull her off the range and take her to the side for some one on one training. Get a battle to take my spot as safety, and tactfully and professionally educate this NCO. “No one is more professional than I” “All Soldiers are entitled to outstanding leadership I will provide that leadership”

Soldiers don’t just mean lower enlisted, it means anyone who wears the uniform. Educate one how to load and unload, proper technique, and crawl walk run.
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SSG David Thompson
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I went through basic training in 1960, and trained with the M1 Garand rifle. The next time I saw an M1 was about 35 years later. After training I was assigned to a unit, and two days later we went to the range. I was handed an M2 carbine. I had never seen one before, and sure enough, no one bothered to tell me and the other new pvt. anything, even how to set the selector switch so the weapon would not fire full auto. Big surprise when the other new guy’s fired a burst of three! On to the next unit 10 months later, carbines again. But the next year I was assigned an M14. Years later I joined the ARNG, and my weapon was an M16. Somehow I managed to qualify with every weapon despite receiving no instruction after basic. It must have been all those days out back with my trusty Daisy air rifle. It really griped me when we were expected to fall in with weapons didn’t even know how to go to inspection arms.
All of that aside, I never was expected to load a clip or magazine on the range.
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MSG Manuel G Chapa Jr.
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It’s your duty to train and keep everyone Battle Ready! There are many reasons to forget basic skills. As a 1SG I always required my lower ranking soldiers to conduct all Squad And Platoon Level Training. This Let me know if my NCO’s were doing their job. Everyone is required to be able to teach all Basic Skills! ALL OF THE TIME. The Army is as strong as it’s instructors, for this is one of the requirements of Leadership.
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SFC Alan Payne
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Link didn’t work. I have experienced this kind of thin during my Guard service. Having gone through Parris Island I have been through what is most likely the best basic marksmanship training there is. During many range days while operating as range staff, particularly safety, I encountered soldiers of all ranks, including nco’s and officers, whose skills were woefully inadequate to the current task. Some just needed a verbal reminder of site picture and alignment, or breathing technique or other basic skills and they were of and running. Others I had to personally coach through their ten rounds of zero fire often telling the soldier to grab another ten and come back to the same firing position. Others had to be removed and more or less trained on the spot. I kept a notebook with asic diagrams to use rather than the manual. I trained many soldiers while cramming down an MRE during a lunch break! The problem was usually found in support personnel that had not been to the ranges in years. The idea that every Marine (yes, Marines as well despite the excellent initial training) or soldier is first a rifleman is a bad joke at best and a lie in reality. Fulfilling the requirements of their own MOS rarely leaves time for the single most basic skill of any servicemen. This is a failing of senior command. As a British soldier I, and EVERY other British soldier, was required to do an annual Battle Camp that lasted two weeks and consisted of nothing but infantry training. We also went to the rifle ranges at least three times a year and were required to pass TOETS (Test Of Elementary Training Skills) annually. TOETS were basic weapons handling skills and were conducted without live ammo, they were designed to allow a soldier to demonstrate the minimum skills to operate weapons safely and efficiently, with a separate test for each weapon. Standards were very high and no soldier would fail as this basically meant you weren’t worth squat. Indeed you could not attend range training without passing TOETS. Although most Americans grow up learning basic safety skills with small arms the addition of TOETS style training to the Marines basic marksmanship training and enforced annual (at a minimum) range days and qualifications would provide truth to what is currently a lie.
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CW3 Kevin Storm
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As I cannot see the video in question, therefore I can't say much but reflect on my experiences. The Reserve/NG often times get people form other services ie Air Force. I have seen some people from Big Blue who had no clue what a rifle was for. Does that mean this person was prior AF, I don't know.
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SGT Peter Gallagher
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Getting promoted in the Army does not require competency, enlisted or officer. That whole nco creed, backbone of the Army is really just union propaganda. Rank does not elevate ability only expectations.
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SFC Antonio Nieto
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Teaching how too
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LTC Ray Karnes
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She would be loading every magazine used on the range that day! Then the next day, she would be teaching others. She would continue to do that until she could do it in her sleep!
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SGT Chad Cherry
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F$ck... What is happening with standards? Why are they so hard to maintain in life and death roles?
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