Posted on Oct 24, 2015
What would you have done to prevent this tragedy given the senior pilot was disobeying a direct order?
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Pilots in deadly Black Hawk crash that killed all 11 service members aboard disobeyed direct orders not to fly into worsening weather off Florida coast, report finds
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I smell BS. I spent almost a career in aviation and short of combat, no pilot has the marbles to disobey a direct order when it has anything to do with environmentals. They don't just lose their wings making that call. They face jail time. This story smells like the Marine who 'accidentally' shot a fellow gate guard in the chest. You can't get me to believe that one either. Never. Someone is covering their ass, lying, or so full of crap that they could also be running for president. Play me the tape from flight ops proving they acknowledged the order. When millions of dollars get destroyed and there is a loss of life (Class A aviation incident) expect a lot of busses to start getting thrown around, cause someone is going to be found under one.
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SFC Mark Merino
CPO Andy Carrillo, MS - I'll hold out on commenting until more information comes out. I'm just saying I don't believe we have all the facts, just the facts that have been presented.
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SGT William Howell
SFC Mark Merino You also got to look at the source of this story. Not a lot of faith in tabloids.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
SFC Mark Merino - I have to agree, One place it says they proceeded to accomplish the mission and another place the M'G said they were to abort because of bad weather. Now, where they going or coming? if they were on their way home and got socked-in, that's a different story. I had an O-6 tell a O-4 to fly through some thunder storms. OK, if you want to buy this airplane sir. Go around then. ANYBODY can challenge a direct order if they fell it is unlawful. You can fight it out on the ground. As a Flight Engineer--- not a bucket seat engineer, I have NEVER had a pilot say I HAD to fly this airplane. I have told pilots that the airplane was not capable of flying because I put it on a red cross. I have 8500 hours to back it up. I HATE when pilots kill enlisted men. I told more than one of them they should be fighter pilots --that way they can only kill themselves. Nuff said.
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PFC Thomas Bersch
I also have to agree that we do not have all the facts and it is highly unlikely we will get all the facts. How do we know that the others heard the order and then let the pilot disobey the order. We all know Marines are gung-ho for anything but they would never let someone disobey a direct order. This reminds of the movie "Rules of Engagement" and yes the circumstances were different but the ending was the same; a senior official is covering their behind.
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Unfortunately this kills many civilian pilots as well. I have my PPL and you are taught not to wager your skills against mother nature or beyond your abilities as it will get you killed and worse, possibly get someone else killed.
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I have my doubts the pilot disobeyed a direct order. Given the experience on board, I gather all of them felt it was safe to at least try. The article is fuzzy and says something about aborting the mission in flight. I can only assume the pilot became disoriented and flew into the ocean(can happen to the best pilots)( the sky and the ocean do that grey/blue thing,add night, add fog , ow), and possibly an instrumental or mechanical issue also.
The disobeyed orders thing, if true, sound more like somebodys doing CYA, for being right or wrong
The disobeyed orders thing, if true, sound more like somebodys doing CYA, for being right or wrong
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