Posted on Jun 25, 2021
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This SPC calls me "hey man" outside work. I don't work with him directly; just happened to come across couple of times at work, and he did call me "sir". Not sure whether I should even bother to correct this SPC.
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CW3 Steven Bailey
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Do your job LT correct the young soldier so as he learns the correct way to conduct himself and same goes when you speak to them, first name is rank. It always infuriated my when a ranking soldiers and officers said call them by their first name. You are never off duty and never use first names only causes trouble down the road for all concerned. I worked hard for every rank I got in 22 years of service and I gave and wanted in return respect from all my soldiers and officers I served with.
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LCpl Janie Robles
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This wouldn’t happen in the MC, we would get an ass chewing from hell.
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GySgt Charles O'Connell
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Edited 4 y ago
So, would you have corrected his behavior if he worked for you? You are a Lt in the U.S. Army, the whole U.S. Army, not just in your work center. If this SPC hasn't figured out that the Customs of Service when addressing a senior are service wide, hell Armed Forces wide, then I think you missed a golden opportunity to increase the SPC's professional knowledge. Yours as well.
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He ask have once LT senior service, hell, professional opportunity golden? Work center whole Army Armed Forces wide missed.
You are lT in uSaRmy and you missed golden knowledge.
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GySgt Charles O'Connell
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My post, like your OP, was incoherent.
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GySgt Charles O'Connell
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MAJ (Join to see) - Right. My point was that the Lt. missed an opportunity to correct the behaviour of the Soldier.
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Cpl Bernard Bates
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In the Marine corp you would have corrected him. Your are still in the military even when you wear civilian cloths, Officers are leaders. Leaders are respected. I'm sure he is not a home town buddie so correct the person. When I was in the Marine Corp 59-63, on okinawa I worked in the Ammo Dump office so I knew the 2n Lt. I worked around him every day. We would talk about many things, he called me stud because I went on liberty every chance I got. I always called him Sir when we were joking around. I Think He respected me because I respected him. I was also in the Army and I saw NCO.s arguing with officers. The Army discipline was more lax. Semper Fi.
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AGAIN, are we going to offer the man advice or go down memory lane? I mean, that's great, you done great, thanks for doing what you did in the Ammo Dump, and not liking Army Officers. Thank you!
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Cpl Bernard Bates
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I spent 3yrs in the Army I know the difference.
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Of course you do.
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PFC James Anderson
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"Corps"
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SFC S2 Intelligence Ncoic
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Correct him, professionally.
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Break down professionally, for those of us unaware.

Standing by.
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CW4 William Kessinger
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Correct him on the spot. I served in Viet Nam as a helicopter pilot, and we got very close to our crew members. I saw some get too close and had to be corrected. Once while internally hauling new rotor blades in their boxes, I had a crew chief try to tell me had to fly the aircraft. I promptly took him aside (out of hearing of the rest of the crew) and had him come to attention and corrected him as to who was in command of the aircraft. Never had that issue again.

I was enlisted for 7 years (in the AF) before becoming a Warrant Office and later Commissioned Officer. While enlisted I always knew where the friendship stopped. As I was never their friend. I worked in a fighter Sq and got to fly back seat T-33 missions with all most all the IP's in the Sqrn and I never forgot to add sir while in the cockpit.
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CW4 William Kessinger
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Along that line I would like to add a funny story. After active duty, I was a DAC (Dept of the Army Civilian) flying out of NY/NJ area and flew a mission in a UH-1 down to Ft Mead. I did it as a DAC. (Not a Cpt) and therefore I did not ware my cap. (hat). While walking outside a building on post, I had my hands in my pockets and no cover.
A major stopped me and proceeded to ream me out. I was somewhat confused until I looked down at my name tag on my flight jacket. I had my wings with Cpt on the jacket. Without saying anything to the Maj, I reached in my pocket and pulled out the name tag with my wings and DAC on it and replaced it on the jacket. I think I said sorry sir but not sure I even did that.
Buy the way, the Major was correct in stopping me and fixing the issue on the spot.
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CW4 Todd McElmurry
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The fact that you are asking this question only represents the decadence of where our Military Strength now resides....
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Cpl Greg Rock
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Edited 3 y ago
Yes. The military isn't a "job" job, it's a 24/7 way of life. Courtesies and deference don't cease to exist off-hours. Would it be okay for an officer to go out drinking and chasing skirts with "the troops" off-hours? I would imagine not.

Of course, the culture differs across service branches. I'm a former Jarhead, and given the Corps' slavish love of adherence to tradition *and* policy, I assume the way it was is largely how it exists today. Back in "The Old Corps" (which for me was 1987-1991...but it varies, depending on who's talking ;-) ) NCOs and officers were known to not only expect proper deference regardless of time and place, but it was not unknown for off-duty Marines to get corrected for "unsat" civilian attire.

My Dad was career, "old-school" Army. My cousins used to jokingly call him "Mr. Clean" because he'd show up to family cook-outs all cleaned, pressed, and well turned-out even when he was chillaxin'. A couple of older SNCOs in my day would expect Marines to show up looking proper to company keggers...though even they would often relax standards a bit after awhile (like to the point of having to be carried somewhere by junior enlisted).

A lot of guys used to gripe about stuff like "Why do we still have to shave in the field? We're out here in the dirt, we look like hell, be we gotta shave our mugs even when it's freezing cold! Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!?!?" It's about discipline. There are always plenty of excuses to let it slip, best practice is to try and police up as many as is practical to do so.
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SPC Ralph Ware
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As a senior member of the "Mafia" I will say that that is uncalled for and should be shut down. Possibly if there is a close connection and off duty and off base, with the understanding that military decorum needs be followed at the appropriate time and place. NOT knowing the officer, that is OUT of bounds! Now that said, the "Mafia" is a bit looser with the NCO's, we all know how that works!!!!! :)!
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1SG Alan Boggs
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I would suggest you identify his first line leader and mention the lack of customs and courtesy.
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