Posted on Jun 25, 2021
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This SPC calls me "hey man" outside work. I don't work with him directly; just happened to come across couple of times at work, and he did call me "sir". Not sure whether I should even bother to correct this SPC.
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SFC Ivan Caraballo
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Correct him, after 27 years of service customs and courtesies works, don't lower he standards
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CPL Christopher Thomas
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You have to correct him right away. You earned your rank and the respect that goes with it. You don't have berate Jim, but he does need to be corrected
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SGT Infantryman
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You said outside of work. If you're not at work and not in uniform, lucky he even noticed you, I will flat out pretend I didn't see you, however this is also why I live nearly an hour from base and have 5 acres. When I'm off work, I'm off work.
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LTC David Howard
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As a Sergeant in the Army, you are at work 24/7 even if relaxing at home with a beer in your hand. You could be called to stop whatever it is you are doing and immediately report for duty. The concept of being "off work" should only mean you are on a break given to you by Uncle Sam.
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LTC David Howard regardless of your opinion as to on or off duty, lmao the op stated the SPC calls him sir at work... it also stated, since reading isn't your string suit, that he was called "hey man" outside of work... thus, the spc while at work is addressing him properly and professionally, crying over what happens after work is hilarious... and we wonder why retention is low.
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SGT Infantryman
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LTC David Howard thankfully I live so far from post that I'm literally the last person they'd call to come back to post to handle any dumb things, especially something such as reprimanding a SPC for saying hey man outside of work
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PVT Military Intelligence Systems Maintainer/Integrator
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Ok to go against what others have said. You don't work together, you were both off duty, and you're probably a butter bar. No don't correct him. He probably doesn't even know your rank. Be a human off duty. You aren't a hall monitor. If he does it while you are in uniform then yes. Light him up.
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COL Signals Intelligence/Electronic Warfare
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Absolutely, new standard made when you do not enforce the standards.
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SPC Ken Cain
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This is extremely situational. If your in uniform and in a Garrison environment yes you should correct him, however don't be a dick about it, at least not the first time you correct someone.
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PO1 Don Rowan
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Yes.
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SGT Wes Barton
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The only and correct answer is yes absolutely correct the soldier on the spot.
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COL Thomas McGrath
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Yes and ensure he never does it again!!! Ever. Then let his squad leader, platoon Sgt and 1 SG know about his render courtesies.
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TSgt Aerospace Medical Service
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Standards are things of wonder. Ideals of fluid emphasis, if you will. Or so I began to perceive, ultimately leading to my retirement with no notice or prolongation. As a brand new, young guy coming into the military, I whole heartedly believed in “Integrity, Service, Excellence” and “The Standard”. After returning to AD following a 9 year stent in the ANG and leaving college (due to the events of 9/11) the military was different for my 31 y/o self than it was for an 18 y/o. The adult with life experiences began to see the psychology behind the curtain. Analyzing EVERYTHING I saw how “the standard” was used as the measure; however, like subpar contractors, there was A LOT of “eye-balling”. The standard was inconvenient and demanded as much from the administration as the application, yet…it became all too obvious that, the better the salesmanship, the less important the individual brush strokes became when creating an image or other work of art. As the generations progress (if that’s what we are going to call it) they have more information at their finger tips than any preceding group. They can see through the crap. When you don’t practice the same game as you are trying to coach, you’re players don’t see the value in the work, the discipline, or the outcome desired. It took a long time to break. It’s going to take a lot longer to repair. Perhaps it can really be about the mission, as long as the mission is about national defense and not about personal objectives. When “learning to play the game” becomes more important than holding the standard, expecting the standard, and fixing the holes in the wall rather than slapping a thick coat of paint over them, things like Sir, Ma’am, Sgt, Thank you, and The Standard will matter. Right now, “hey, man” is the least of anyone’s problem. That’s just a symptom.
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