Posted on Jun 25, 2021
When an E-4 calls me "hey" or "hey man" knowing that I am an officer, should I bother to correct him?
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This SPC calls me "hey man" outside work. I don't work with him directly; just happened to come across couple of times at work, and he did call me "sir". Not sure whether I should even bother to correct this SPC.
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I feel like part of the story is missing here. My initial reaction is that you should mention it to him. However, I'm curious are these social, or religious settings? are you in uniform? I had officers in my church when I was in, they insisted I call them by the first name when in church or at a church function. If I would see them on base or in uniform then I spoke to them with military respect.
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LT,
I’m going to try to say this without being insulting. If you need to be told that you need to enforce military standards on your subordinates maybe the military is not for you. As a Lance Corporal in the Marines, I was never allowed to call a corporal, sergeant, or above “man”, let alone a commissioned officer. When I was a chief warrant officer I would never allow any behavior like that, wether it was directed at me, my staff NCOs or NCOs.
Many of us that are recently retired see this as a major problem. Discipline is deteriorating at an alarming rate. Congress and the executive branches treat the armed forces as a test bed for woke BS and social programs. The military exists for one purpose: win wars. Anything else is a dereliction of our duty to our country. The disrespect young service members show toward seniors feeds into the dysfunction being forced onto the armed services. Don’t allow this ever, be the officer you were selected to be and discipline soldiers who are out of line. Force the SNCOs and officers around you to do the same. Be the generation that decides it is time to return to the core fundamentals that make our forces feared worldwide, which has rapidly deteriorated this year.
I wish you the best in your career. Don’t take sh$t from anyone, stand up for what you believe.
I’m going to try to say this without being insulting. If you need to be told that you need to enforce military standards on your subordinates maybe the military is not for you. As a Lance Corporal in the Marines, I was never allowed to call a corporal, sergeant, or above “man”, let alone a commissioned officer. When I was a chief warrant officer I would never allow any behavior like that, wether it was directed at me, my staff NCOs or NCOs.
Many of us that are recently retired see this as a major problem. Discipline is deteriorating at an alarming rate. Congress and the executive branches treat the armed forces as a test bed for woke BS and social programs. The military exists for one purpose: win wars. Anything else is a dereliction of our duty to our country. The disrespect young service members show toward seniors feeds into the dysfunction being forced onto the armed services. Don’t allow this ever, be the officer you were selected to be and discipline soldiers who are out of line. Force the SNCOs and officers around you to do the same. Be the generation that decides it is time to return to the core fundamentals that make our forces feared worldwide, which has rapidly deteriorated this year.
I wish you the best in your career. Don’t take sh$t from anyone, stand up for what you believe.
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GySgt Jack Wallace
Salute Chief Wo,M J.You give respect, you get respect.In this case, Lt. your an military officer, Sir, pulled him a side-and tell him your not his MAN. No room for that B.S.
P.S. In my time if, any enlisted Marines would have called an officer Man, I sure they would have there ass in a sling........
P.S. In my time if, any enlisted Marines would have called an officer Man, I sure they would have there ass in a sling........
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A soldier is a soldier 24/7 and Army values need to be lived at all times. If an E4 does not respect an officer he still is required to show respect to higher rank. maybe you should have a talk with the First Sergeant and ask him how he would handle being addressed as "Hey, man" from an E4.
SGM (ret) Francis J Brzyski
1st Cavalry, III Corps, Vietnam
SGM (ret) Francis J Brzyski
1st Cavalry, III Corps, Vietnam
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CPL Adam Schoenwald
1sgt would probably say "Joe Snuffy would get a boot straight up his 4th point of contact while on extra duty for the next 30 days"
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I’m surprised at the question. OF COURSE you correct that individual and bring him to attention while you are doing it!
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Sir, you have to correct them because they could be testing you. They are not your equal in rank. You are the superior and deserve that respect. You earned it.
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Really, Jeff ? "Hey man ?" Is the "work" you're describing active duty status, reserve unit, or what ? I'm former enlisted (OCS grad) and was taught as a "slick-sleeve" private to respect everyone. Quickly learned the ranking system, meaning DON'T salute SGTs. So, if he's an E4 and knows you're an officer, he's in that zone of "familiarization breeds contempt". If you continue to let his behavior go, in my opinion, both of you are in the wrong. Some of the guys (junior enlisted) in my tight-knit Armor unit once asked me what my first name was...ans: LT. They then pressed for a nickname...ans: Sir.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Wow. I'm OCS too (2000, Alphatraz) and that throttle is familiar ... if I may, that is not a "contempt" situation. The LT already said he didn't know the Soldier that well. It was more like a "in the PX" situation, know what I mean? A "contempt" situation might be inviting sergeants to your house to play Halo or do shots; I don't think this can be definied as "contempt", merely someone who is asking us for advice with regards to a Soldier who doesn't allegedly understand rank.
Far Across The Chattahoochee (you better be standing up)
Regards
Far Across The Chattahoochee (you better be standing up)
Regards
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1LT Rich Voss
MAJ (Join to see) - Sir, it was the "familiarization" portion that was my focus in his situation. The Speedy 4 is already calling him by "hey" or "hey man" by the LTs own admission. That certainly "can" lead to the other part if left uncorrected. ps: I've rafted and canoed that river in much younger days ! Regards to you as well !
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SFC Jerry McLellen
1LT Rich Voss - Your reference of the Specialist 4 as "The Speedy 4" makes you as big, or bigger of a violator as the "Hey, man" Specialist. I have to wonder what other names you have for enlisted soldiers and their various ranks.
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