Posted on Jul 12, 2014
CH (CPT) Heather Davis
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Yesterday I was corrected by a SFC (EOA) when he heard me say "Good job guys" I was speaking to both male and female.

His comments were I should have said good job guys and girls. Your thoughts.
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MSG Wade Huffman
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Gave my two cents early on in this discussion and have now gone back and read the entire thread through with all the new comments posted.
All I can say is that I AM GLAD I'M RETIRED.
If THESE are the issues that our Armed Forces are expending time and energy on, then I'm glad that I'm no longer an active part of it. I don't particularly like saying that, but it is how I'm feeling right now. ***sigh***
Someone please tell me this is one VERY off the wall incident and this isn't the norm out there.
Sorry all... just had to vent a bit here.
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MSG(P) Michael Warrick
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No it is not to me and in fact we need to give praise more to our Soldiers for the outstanding job they do !
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COL Vincent Stoneking
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MSG Wade Huffman I would like to say it's an aberration. That is what I'd like to say.
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in my shop, EO has tried straightening us up, but we have jokes, call each other gay, pretty much anythin EO hates. and the females take part in it too. So don't worry there are still "normal" people that haven't been phased by the strong push for total n utter political correctness
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MSG Usarec Liason At Nrpc/Nara
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I'll tell you this...it drives me nuts. Harassment must now be pronounced "hair-es-ment", guess someone got offended. Political correctness has a place but things have gone too far. Grow some thick skin, have duck back, it's not all personal and get to work!
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SSgt James Stanley
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CPT Davis, you were correct in your use of "guys" in speaking to both male and female troops. The SFC should never have challenged you. He must have been having feelings of grandeur for his 19 years in service and couldn't help himself! Don't let it worry you, we all meet this type of PC mentality every once in a while.
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SSG Todd Halverson
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He is just on a power trip thinking his title gives him the power to control how people interact with each other. I would not worry about it and keep doing things like you have been, unless someone actually complains about it.
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CW2 Ernest Krutzsch
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We have become politically correct pawns...The EO A needs to stop being so sensitive, if he (oops or she :-) dis not get the gist of the conversation, then I would say she/he is not very bright
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CW2 Ernest Krutzsch
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We have become such a sensitive society, and that is sad. When I was in the Infantry, we sang Jodies, they were offensive, but effective, Some people are cowards, not much can be done about that. We are all soldiers, male female, etc, /why does it not offend when a female congress person is referred to as a Congressman
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
CH (CPT) Heather Davis
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Chief:

Lesson learned!!
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MAJ Derrick J.
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Chief - you are exactly right. Speaking as a psychologist myself, this is such a common trait of people that it would be comical if it weren't so prevalent.
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PO1 Master-at-Arms
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis, here's what I learned from micromanagers and nit pickers: we "need" them in our lives as examples of what not to be like.

I dealt with quite a few in the past and occasionally in the present. They're not going away, period. God himself allows them to "exist" and not really enjoy their lives to the fullest. Forgive them for they may not know what they're doing
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MSG Military Science Instructor
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As an EOA it is that NCOs responsibility to make on-the-spot corrections that may deal with equal opportunity. However, the methods used to correct the so called problem may not have been right. We in the Army need to be aware of our language regardless of how a particular term is defined in a dictionary.

If a soldier perceives that the word "guys" is exclusionary then they have a right to approach a EOL or EOA and make a complain. We must remember that it is how words are perceived by the individuals being addressed.
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SSG Robert Burns
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#4 "unless we stop using it, it is all the children will hear." Can you imagine the horror and consequences of them hearing the word "guy" used as it's defined? And to think all this time I've been worried about what my children will hear on the bus ride home from school with drug dealers and such.
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CPL J Sannizzaro
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Stop worrying about what they will hear. They will hear pretty much everything the same as we did. Worry about teaching them how to use their own mind. That way they can make sound decesions on what is prudent, inappropriate, serious reason for concern, a joke, or not worth spend 5 seconds of their life thinking about.
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MSG Military Science Instructor
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MAJ Carl Ballinger, I may not agree with some of things written in the regulations but I need to enforce the standard set forth by the Army. I also do my best to educate my subordinates to ensure they understand the purpose and objective behind the EO program.

SSG Robert Burns, we as leaders still need to enforce the standards. It addition, when it comes to EO we need to be sensitive. Do I think the word "guy" is offensive if used in the context that it was used in, no. However, we still need to be aware of certain words that may offend someone within the five protective categories of the EO program.

CPL J Sannizzaro, I do educate my Soldiers and teach them to use their own mind. Unfortunately, not everyone has the same mental capacity or understands when someone is genuinely giving them a compliment using a term that is gender neutral.
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MSG Military Science Instructor
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True statement sir. I just follow what my commander's put out on their policy letters and my commander's use the TC as a standard for our unit.
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SSG Trevor S.
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I understand his idea and direction but we must as a nation identify the point were political correctness takes over from the well meaning goals of the various EO programs out there. In this case the net effect of correcting you for something that can easily be argued to be generally inclusive might have the effect of tempering your natural tendency to praise good work in fear of rebuke for an imagined slip of inclusiveness.
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CW2 Special Agent
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I have seen soldiers get uptight about it for one reason or another. I don't see a problem with it, but there is a better choice: soldier.
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
CH (CPT) Heather Davis
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SPC DelArroyo:

I greatly appreciate your feedback and I will make that correction.
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I say anyone who takes offense to a very well intended compliment who used a generality to refer to their subordinates can suck it the f up. this has really gotten out of hand.
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CH (LTC) Robert Leroe
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I'm from NJ where "guys" is generic. BTW An MP once said to me, "Chaplain, getting praise is like getting paid."
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CPO Public Affairs Chief
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guys in that case is CLEARLY a generality and very common use. sounds to me like the SFC was being an ass, but apparently couldn't help it.
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PO2 Timothy Brotsch
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Absolutely not when not in Uniform, but when in Uniform Call by rank
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