Posted on Aug 16, 2016
When was the last time a Senior NCO stepped in for you or you stepped in for a subordinate?
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Had this happen in Sub School. Was an E5 (Instructor) that had an E6 (Student) giving me a hard time because I was Junior. Senior Chief (E8) and the Master Chief (E9) had a little conference with him and I. Told the E6 that he was surprised that E6 would talk to HIM that way. E6 said "Never Master Chief". Master Chief said "BS" "You basically told the CO the same thing as this Petty Officer represents both of us when he is instructing." "Surprised the Petty Officer didn't jack you up then and there but he was being polite your Rank. If this shit happens again, you WILL be thrown out of class and escorted to your boat by ME!" "Get the Hell out of here!"
First time I ever had a superior stand up for me. Made me proud of my Navy.
First time I ever had a superior stand up for me. Made me proud of my Navy.
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Actually, I think you are looking at this all wrong.... Chief wants the LT to leave so he can do a little "wall to wall" counseling... That's what I would do. and when we were done it would be back to work, no further action required.
Chief doesn't want to protect the young sailor.... he wants to club him in the head without any witnesses.
Chief doesn't want to protect the young sailor.... he wants to club him in the head without any witnesses.
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LTJG (Join to see)
Chief may want to jack him up, but he's still protecting him. A little ass chewing is better than a DRB or an Article 15 NJP.
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Sgt Dan Catlin
PO1 Richard Cormier - If your NCO's are tight, they can still hold what we used to refer to as "Thump Call." The offender is taken where there are no witnesses and gets an attitude adjustment by all the NCO's. And if he complains, they back each other up. Me, hit a frail, sensitive litle Private? No, I was with ... ." Failing that, the insubordinate soldier could still be written up for insubordination. Sad when that's the only recourse, but if that's the way it is, then you have to use it.
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Perhaps there has been a time that I was unaware of, but the last time I found out about this sort of thing happening was when I was a civilian and I came to work and found my boss (the owner of the company) on his hands and knees cleaning the bathroom. I asked him if I wasn't doing it right or something and his response was "no you were doing a good job. I just thought I would help you out today since you work so hard." I was blown away, bosses don't do the grunt work. At least not in my experience... I have never forgotten that and I had the most respect for someone that didn't just tell their workers what to do but would get down there and do it with them.
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LT Charles Baird
You have had the wrong bosses because the good ones lead by example and are not afraid to get their hands dirty to help out.
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TSgt Melissa Post
LT Charles Baird - I couldn't agree more. My first supervisor told me that his job was maintenance, not me, when I needed his help on understanding or studying my CDCs to get my 5 level. I was quite surprised and spoke to an NCO one rank above him that I knew personally as well as professionally. I wasn't intending to throw him under the bus, I was just an A1C trying to figure out what he meant by that. That NCO tore my supervisor apart.
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Long time ago, but for me it was when I was a newly minted PO-2 (E-5 for you non-seafaring types). I was lead LORAN A tech and standing watch at the time. (For you lubberly types, LORAN stands for Long Range Aid to Navigation and operating tolerances were very tight with guaranteed availability something like 99.9%. This enabled highly accurate navigation in the days before Sat Nav and was used by both the Navy and Air Force as well as commercially. Sadly, it was discontinued in 2010 leaving us with no backup to a very vulnerable system, but that is another story.) Anyhew ... I was on watch, and our Warrant officer came into the building and decided to do a snap inspection . Disregarding SOP, he yanked open the drawer on a timer, the on air timer. This in turn caused the transmitter to trip off air as well. After a minute or two of scrambling and swearing, our once perfect operating month now ruined. I rounded on the Warrant and said, "If you ever touch my equipment again without checking with me first I'll kick your ass!" Yea I was referred to NJP or as we called it Captain's Mast.
Well the day came, and I dressed up in my best set of dress blues, and reported to the CO's office promptly on time. Just before we went in the SCPO (E-8) pulled me aside and said, "Just say yes sir, no sir, let me handle this." The WO presented his charges and testimony and the CO turned to me and asked me if I had anything to add, "No sir." "Is what Mr. XXXXX said accurate?" "Yes sir." "Do you have anything to say for yourself?" "No sir." At that point the Senior Chief stepped in and said "Sir I would like to speak on PO Dougherty's behalf." The CO gave him permission and the Senior Chief then said, "In my opinion I believe PO Dougherty showed admirable restraint." "How do you figure chief?" "If I had been there I would have kicked his ass! Mr. XXXX was seriously negligent." The CO shook his head with a slight grin on his face, and said "PO Dougherty you are dismissed. Chief, Mr. XXXX I would like to talk to you privately."
Not sure what was said in that private talk, but the rest of the time he was there Mr. XXXX never touched a piece of my equipment while I was there. Think back perhaps the most aggravating part was that our equipment was always immaculate inside and out, we took great pride in keeping it spotless,and identifying problems before they occurred. When a piece did go down unexpectedly we took very personally, and Mr. XXXX knew that or as Electronics Officer should have.
Well the day came, and I dressed up in my best set of dress blues, and reported to the CO's office promptly on time. Just before we went in the SCPO (E-8) pulled me aside and said, "Just say yes sir, no sir, let me handle this." The WO presented his charges and testimony and the CO turned to me and asked me if I had anything to add, "No sir." "Is what Mr. XXXXX said accurate?" "Yes sir." "Do you have anything to say for yourself?" "No sir." At that point the Senior Chief stepped in and said "Sir I would like to speak on PO Dougherty's behalf." The CO gave him permission and the Senior Chief then said, "In my opinion I believe PO Dougherty showed admirable restraint." "How do you figure chief?" "If I had been there I would have kicked his ass! Mr. XXXX was seriously negligent." The CO shook his head with a slight grin on his face, and said "PO Dougherty you are dismissed. Chief, Mr. XXXX I would like to talk to you privately."
Not sure what was said in that private talk, but the rest of the time he was there Mr. XXXX never touched a piece of my equipment while I was there. Think back perhaps the most aggravating part was that our equipment was always immaculate inside and out, we took great pride in keeping it spotless,and identifying problems before they occurred. When a piece did go down unexpectedly we took very personally, and Mr. XXXX knew that or as Electronics Officer should have.
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And oldie but a goodie coming in from the boonies for a three day RR,getting off the choppers a Major demands we hand over our weapons to the arms room since we weren't going to have to pull perimeter guard,our company CO only a lieutenant at the time respectfully declines,we kept our weapons,still wonder how he got away with it?
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CPT (Join to see)
That Major wasn't in your chain of command.
That Lt. Was the Company Commander and he wasn't going to let anyone tell him what to do with his company of his Troops.
Good on that CO.
That Lt. Was the Company Commander and he wasn't going to let anyone tell him what to do with his company of his Troops.
Good on that CO.
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SGT Philip Roncari
CPT Tohmas Husar-I had the good fortune to run into him a year or so later at Fort Polk where we were both training AIT companies,he had forgotten the whole incident,I hadn't you have to have respect for those type of leaders,in the business we were in back then they were life savers.
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1970, aboard the USS MIDWAY. PO1 for a Seaman Deuce. The First Class even told the Deuce to get a fresh cup of coffee while the former temporarily replaced the latter on the swab.
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Sunday. An NCO placed an airman to work while still on leave and I knew if I called her and told her about it she would make one that was scheduled off work in their place. Wrong answer and I did their work for them to avoid that.
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SGM Erik Marquez
MAJ Byron Oyler Points for taking on the work and not "punishing" that Soldier for the NCO's mistake.
I suggestion if I may...you may have been able to do just that while making an effective point to the NCO... Had you directed that NCO to report for the duty they mis-tasked.
Job stills gets done
Wrongly tasked Sm not made to work during planned and approved time off.
Moderate corrective action for the mistaken NCO, that leaves no lasting negitive impact on the career if they choose to accept, learn from it and move on.
I suggestion if I may...you may have been able to do just that while making an effective point to the NCO... Had you directed that NCO to report for the duty they mis-tasked.
Job stills gets done
Wrongly tasked Sm not made to work during planned and approved time off.
Moderate corrective action for the mistaken NCO, that leaves no lasting negitive impact on the career if they choose to accept, learn from it and move on.
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Never. The senior CPO's chose to ride my ass as they felt the 4.0 marks weren't deserved because I did it my way..
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I had a 1sg in Korea that had my back. I had a LT that didn't know his place and tried to step into my lane. I was acting PSG because our PSG was on leave in the States. He tried to admonish me in front of soldiers and my 1sg lost his shit on the LT. A few months later my PSG was gone again and I was to go to the promotion board. I was up the night before tending to a soldier in the hospital and I went into the board with absolutely no rest. Apparently he went to bat for me and I only needed to say the NCO creed to pass the board (which I did effortlessly ). He knew his subordinate leaders and had our backs if we did the right thing, even if the right thing was out of policy. Best 1sg I ever had.
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My CG unit pull into St Thomas for a mid patrol break and all I had on my mind was a steak burger and a beer. We got liberty around 11am and I was scheduled for watch around 1:30. I went to a joint frequented by tourists and locals got my burger and a beer. Decided that another would be ok. Ended up drinking three. What I did not know was that Unlike Red Stipe sold in the US, Red Stripe in the islands is a little more potent. Needless to say, I felt as if I had been rolled by a tank. I made it back to the ship but unfortunately was not able to assume the watch. I was told a few days later by some that they actually felt sorry for me. They had never seen a person struggle with pain the way I had. My lead PO made me assume a 24 hour watch, reported to the PO in charge what had happened and he agreed with the punishment, no one else would know. I don't know how the Div-O got wind of what happened. He was and OCS ENS that had shared his own screw ups but apparently my screw up was to much to bear. He attempted to report me until my 1st class intervened. The Div-O acquiesced but still after the fact had to get his licks in and did so in private. All I have to say is I learned a great deal from that incident. Thanks Russ!
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