Posted on Aug 20, 2019
When will everyone be reporting for drills with the "well regulated militia "?
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I think it's time to discuss the 2nd Amendment frankly and honestly.
I can't help but notice that people are obsessed with their "rights", but are completely silent about their responsibilities. We forget that the amendment has a purpose statement. The importance of a free standing, well armed, well trained "well regulated militia".
I'd like to politely point out that congress at the time the 2nd amendment was drafted was also kind enough to spell out precisely what the militia was composed of, and give guidance on the training and leadership requirements....
We'll ignore the racist part of it, "able bodied white males"...
But it's pretty explicit. Each and every free, able bodied white male between 18 and 45 is to be enrolled by the Captain in each state, provide their own arms and ammo, and attend regular drills and exercises, and when called upon.
So when are you all showing up for your well regulated militia drills? You want your guns, but none of the training and discipline the founding fathers expected you to have WITH those guns.
I expect to see a lot more of you at formation from here on out!
I can't help but notice that people are obsessed with their "rights", but are completely silent about their responsibilities. We forget that the amendment has a purpose statement. The importance of a free standing, well armed, well trained "well regulated militia".
I'd like to politely point out that congress at the time the 2nd amendment was drafted was also kind enough to spell out precisely what the militia was composed of, and give guidance on the training and leadership requirements....
We'll ignore the racist part of it, "able bodied white males"...
But it's pretty explicit. Each and every free, able bodied white male between 18 and 45 is to be enrolled by the Captain in each state, provide their own arms and ammo, and attend regular drills and exercises, and when called upon.
So when are you all showing up for your well regulated militia drills? You want your guns, but none of the training and discipline the founding fathers expected you to have WITH those guns.
I expect to see a lot more of you at formation from here on out!
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Alexander Hamilton: “The project of disciplining all the militia of the United States is as futile as it would be injurious, if it were capable of being carried into execution. A tolerable expertness in military movements is a business that requires time and practice. It is not a day, or even a week, that will suffice for the attainment of it. To oblige the great body of the yeomanry, and of the other classes of the citizens, to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well-regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people, and a serious public inconvenience and loss. It would form an annual deduction from the productive labor of the country to an amount which, calculating upon the present numbers of the people, would not fall far short of the whole expense of the civil establishments of all the States. To attempt a thing which would abridge the mass of labor and industry to so considerable an extent, would be unwise: and the experiment, if made, could not succeed, because it would not long be endured. Little more can reasonably be aimed at, with respect to the people at large, than to have them properly armed and equipped” – Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No.2
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What is the "militia clause" all about?
It is a nominative absolute (prefatory clause) that states a reason why the Government will not so much as "infringe" on the "right of the people to keep and bear Arms".
The 2nd Amendment does NOT:
-- grant a right, the "rights of the people" are preexisting and inherent in their Human nature
-- those rights are stated and guaranteed to the people, not "granted" to them by Government.
The "militia clause" does NOT:
-- state the reason the people's right to arms exists, to serve the need of the state (USA and/or "states of the Union")
-- it merely states why a Constitutional Government would not WANT to restrict the people's right to arms. Such a Government would deprive itself of its primary defense, "the militia". Since standing armies were viewed as "a danger to Liberty" the Government was dependent on the militia, drawn from the armed citizenry.
It is a nominative absolute (prefatory clause) that states a reason why the Government will not so much as "infringe" on the "right of the people to keep and bear Arms".
The 2nd Amendment does NOT:
-- grant a right, the "rights of the people" are preexisting and inherent in their Human nature
-- those rights are stated and guaranteed to the people, not "granted" to them by Government.
The "militia clause" does NOT:
-- state the reason the people's right to arms exists, to serve the need of the state (USA and/or "states of the Union")
-- it merely states why a Constitutional Government would not WANT to restrict the people's right to arms. Such a Government would deprive itself of its primary defense, "the militia". Since standing armies were viewed as "a danger to Liberty" the Government was dependent on the militia, drawn from the armed citizenry.
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COL John McClellan - SFC (Join to see) - SFC Michael Hasbun - SGT (Join to see) - PO3 (Join to see) - SSgt Christopher Brose - SFC (Join to see) - SPC Gary Welch - Maj Robert Thornton -
I have to admit that your question got me to thinking"
They are as well regulated as their members want them to be.
Since most civilian Militias are organized around charismatic individuals, some around patriarchs, some around employers, some around retired or ex-military members.
Some Militias, like the 'group' I'm in, have Police, Firefighters, EMS, Deputy Sheriffs, Game Wardens, ex-Military members along with Businessmen, Doctors, Nurses, Hunters, Fishermen and Farmers.
The plan is to follow our County's Judge Executive, who is the highest County Official. Its called Emergency Management. We have no 'paid militia' but everyone who's a member has a job and is earning a living, but the 'Militia' is just part of our life.
How regulated do you want us to be?
What are YOUR expectations?
I have to admit that your question got me to thinking"
They are as well regulated as their members want them to be.
Since most civilian Militias are organized around charismatic individuals, some around patriarchs, some around employers, some around retired or ex-military members.
Some Militias, like the 'group' I'm in, have Police, Firefighters, EMS, Deputy Sheriffs, Game Wardens, ex-Military members along with Businessmen, Doctors, Nurses, Hunters, Fishermen and Farmers.
The plan is to follow our County's Judge Executive, who is the highest County Official. Its called Emergency Management. We have no 'paid militia' but everyone who's a member has a job and is earning a living, but the 'Militia' is just part of our life.
How regulated do you want us to be?
What are YOUR expectations?
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Well said, SFC Hasbun! It is abundantly clear to me that our founders intended an individual right (by necessity) that was intended to secure our common defense - not by each individual alone, but collectively. It's a collective responsibility that was taken seriously in the 2d half of the 18th Century by all able-bodied male citizens in a town or community, or county. Our founders took responsible gun ownership for granted, because at that time weapons were a tool of daily life, not a sport, not a fashion statement. And, when called to drill or into service, you brought your weapon with you. Not the case anymore, and hasn't been, for decades. Except, that we of course still maintain vitally important components that carry the "spirit" of those militia - our well-regulated National Guard and Reserves. In fact, what the authors of 2A most feared, that the federal government would "own" the means of violence (more softly, that of defending our Nation) has already happened. What hasn't happened is "tyranny" over the states. (While there is still occasional flare-ups and often healthy tension between the two, their fears of states losing their sovereignty have been mostly unrealized.) So I say "amen, brother" let's see those sign-ups down at the Guard recruiting center!!
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Cpl (Join to see)
Genocide doesn't stop being evil regardless. Besides the civilian Tutsi's, the elderly and babies, were barely armed making it a slaughter house for the Hutu and RPF as they systematically seized their property in hut to hut searches and road blocks. Although tragic it's apples and oranges. And FYI it was bill clinton and the UN's failure to control the small arm's trade in Rwanda that aided in the slaughter of innocent people.
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“Besides the civilian Tutsi's, the elderly and babies, were barely armed making it a slaughter house for the Hutu and RPF as they systematically seized their property in hut to hut searches and road blocks”.
The Hutu and RPF systematically slaughtered Tutsis and seized their property?
The Hutu and RPF systematically slaughtered Tutsis and seized their property?
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COL John McClellan
Firstly, I see few/no national politicians who don't think we need a strong military. That's made-up political bullsh*t. We have that now, and have had it, consistently. Some don't think we need to be spending more on defense than the next 15 or 20 countries combined perhaps, but I see no one arguing "against the military" as some commonly claim. Secondly, why are we "spread so thin?" If you want balance in the military, then I suggest doing 3 things (1) only go to war when Congress votes to declare war! (It's in the constitution); or in a real short-term emergency (2) call/write you Congressman / Senators and tell them you support an updated AUMF. We let our leaders create an "era of persistent conflict" because of 9/11. We had to respond then, and we did, but this can't go on forever they way it is now... (3) tell them we need to limit the things we ask our military to do in the world, period. Stop gutting the State Department, for example. Stop de-funding USAID... start valuing and emphasizing civilian engagement again. We are in some places in uniform that we don't need to be. We have more than one club in our national power bag. Stop pulling out the driver when what you need is the 7-iron... or the putter. Finally, while the price of Liberty is eternal vigilance... I see no impending invasions on our horizon... I think our forces can handle it, if we start managing them better!
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
SFC Michael Hasbun - If you're asking me about what the 1st US Congress intended, I wasn't alive when they wrote it.
BUT that is what some organizations and individuals today are using in their arguments, in their attempts, to infringe people's 2A rights.
You will also see somewhere else in these comments where I made the point that those statutes were an attempt by that Congress to track the money. I will post your nameplate with it for your attention.
BUT that is what some organizations and individuals today are using in their arguments, in their attempts, to infringe people's 2A rights.
You will also see somewhere else in these comments where I made the point that those statutes were an attempt by that Congress to track the money. I will post your nameplate with it for your attention.
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