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We are all pretty familiar with bell curves; a graph that is normally broken down into three sections, low, average and high. Normally, the average section makes up about 80% of the graph with the other two sections having about 10% respectively.
Recently I was having a conversation where this idea of the "80%'ers" came up. What I mean by that is this: There are a ton of service organizations out there. Some are doing some great things. Some are out there flapping in the breeze while others are just starting that. In this conversation I was having, we began wondering which group a lot of these organizations target. We figured out if you put the Veteran population of any area into a bell chart, break them up into "severely wounded", "wounded but working" and "not wounded" (I'm sure we could use better terms but you get the point); the "wounded but working" section would be that 80% "average" section. However, we figured out that a majority of the bigger service organizations - the ones you see on TV and hear about all time - are really only catering to the severely wounded, 10% population of the overall population.
Now, please understand, I'm not saying that our brothers and sisters-in-arms that were severely wounded in defense of this nation do not deserve it. I feel they deserve it and then a lot more. However, what about the 80%'ers? I can't even begin to count the number of times I've gone somewhere to speak and been greeted with "I pictured you missing a (insert body part)" or some other comment. Granted; in general, the majority of the population doesn't have a true understanding of what sort of wounds go unseen. Wounds like PTSD and TBI are ever-increasing. Walk into a room and ask all the Veterans in that room to raise their hands if they carry a PTSD diagnosis. You'll notice that most, if not all, raise their hands. When you talk to Joe Q Taxpayer, when he/she thinks of wounded military members, our missing body parts come to mind.
I work very hard every day to remind those around me that not every wounded Veteran sticks out, nor are we in need of "free soup and socks". Veterans, regardless of the injuries he or she may have to live with, are not helpless. Many of our brothers and sisters-in-arms are once told they will never walk again and end up showing the doctors that not walking is not an option. They find a way. Those of us with unseen injuries learn to adjust our methods to work within the new way our brains are weird. We are not looking for freebies. Sure, it is nice to get something once and awhile but don't baby us. Don't treat us like broken goods. I think that those of us, the 80%'ers, have a huge struggle with this. Sometimes we need help, but we do not need freebies. Still the question remains, where do we fit in?
Recently I was having a conversation where this idea of the "80%'ers" came up. What I mean by that is this: There are a ton of service organizations out there. Some are doing some great things. Some are out there flapping in the breeze while others are just starting that. In this conversation I was having, we began wondering which group a lot of these organizations target. We figured out if you put the Veteran population of any area into a bell chart, break them up into "severely wounded", "wounded but working" and "not wounded" (I'm sure we could use better terms but you get the point); the "wounded but working" section would be that 80% "average" section. However, we figured out that a majority of the bigger service organizations - the ones you see on TV and hear about all time - are really only catering to the severely wounded, 10% population of the overall population.
Now, please understand, I'm not saying that our brothers and sisters-in-arms that were severely wounded in defense of this nation do not deserve it. I feel they deserve it and then a lot more. However, what about the 80%'ers? I can't even begin to count the number of times I've gone somewhere to speak and been greeted with "I pictured you missing a (insert body part)" or some other comment. Granted; in general, the majority of the population doesn't have a true understanding of what sort of wounds go unseen. Wounds like PTSD and TBI are ever-increasing. Walk into a room and ask all the Veterans in that room to raise their hands if they carry a PTSD diagnosis. You'll notice that most, if not all, raise their hands. When you talk to Joe Q Taxpayer, when he/she thinks of wounded military members, our missing body parts come to mind.
I work very hard every day to remind those around me that not every wounded Veteran sticks out, nor are we in need of "free soup and socks". Veterans, regardless of the injuries he or she may have to live with, are not helpless. Many of our brothers and sisters-in-arms are once told they will never walk again and end up showing the doctors that not walking is not an option. They find a way. Those of us with unseen injuries learn to adjust our methods to work within the new way our brains are weird. We are not looking for freebies. Sure, it is nice to get something once and awhile but don't baby us. Don't treat us like broken goods. I think that those of us, the 80%'ers, have a huge struggle with this. Sometimes we need help, but we do not need freebies. Still the question remains, where do we fit in?
Posted 10 y ago
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I believe you have a great point. I am doing a research project on the stigma of PTSD and how many veterans are suffering from unseen wounds. I would like to use this in my paper, would you mind if I quoted you on this?
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1LT Nick Kidwell
SSG Philip Parsons - I have studied PTSD for my MS in Psychology. Please PM me if you'd like input.
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I think that the civilian misperception may be out there...and there are groups such as the American Legion, VFW, AMVETS and others that are truly striving to care for all to the best advantage. I would actually pose that if you walked into a room of vets and ask how many actually have the PTSD diagnosis, your numbers would be somewhat less... The reason for this is that there are many vets that function enough to refuse being evaluated/treated for PTSD (I am one of those). There are many reasons...my reason is that there is way too much talk of the VA submitting paperwork that would rescind my rights to own firearms with a PTSD diagnosis...Not sure if it is true or not, but I am functioning well enough that I don't want to take that chance.
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SSG Philip Parsons
SPC David Shaffer Thank you for replying to this thread. Would you mind PM me? I have some questions for you about this issue, thanks.
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SFC James Waggle
Thanks SPC Shaffer for your information. Hoping that everything is going well for you.
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Sgt Daniel V.
http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?rgn=div8&node=27:3.0.1.2.3.2.1.1
contains the current definition you are looking for.
But to answer you question NO having PTSD alone cannot make you ineligible but if that PTSD makes you Legally incompentant (cannot legally control your life) then the VA will send you a letter such as the one here http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/02/25/veterans-gun-seizure-hoax-debunked-somewhat/
and you will be given an opportunity to fight it. So no having PTSD does not automatically make you ineligible. So go ahead submit a claim.
contains the current definition you are looking for.
But to answer you question NO having PTSD alone cannot make you ineligible but if that PTSD makes you Legally incompentant (cannot legally control your life) then the VA will send you a letter such as the one here http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/02/25/veterans-gun-seizure-hoax-debunked-somewhat/
and you will be given an opportunity to fight it. So no having PTSD does not automatically make you ineligible. So go ahead submit a claim.
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IMHO, organizations like the American Legion and VFW attempt to cater to the "80%" while addressing the needs of the the other 20%. They need to adjust to fit the 21st Century veteran, but they are at least trying.
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SGT Ben Keen
1LT Nick Kidwell - while I agree with you that the American Legion and the VFW are attempting to cover the 80%'ers I think, as you suggested, they are missing the mark. There is no perfect solution for all Veterans, I am just trying to express the point that not every Veteran falls into the "severally wounded" group but still require some assistance (not a hand out).
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1LT Nick Kidwell
There have been times when I could use a hand...employment services, PTSD-related anger management, simple camaraderie...
But in general, I have found that no one organization hits the mark, and none of them do a great job of going to where the veteran is; the veteran must actively seek the help they need. If they don't seek the help, generally they do not GET the help.
In the case of veterans with severe emotional and psychological damage, this may result in homelessness, substance abuse, and suicide.
But in general, I have found that no one organization hits the mark, and none of them do a great job of going to where the veteran is; the veteran must actively seek the help they need. If they don't seek the help, generally they do not GET the help.
In the case of veterans with severe emotional and psychological damage, this may result in homelessness, substance abuse, and suicide.
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SSG Philip Parsons
I have brought up the issue in school about the veteran becoming isolated and not getting help out side of the military. Do you think that signing up for the VA should be mandatory? Do you think that the veteran would be more inclined to get help if he was already a part of the VA? ...just some of my questions...
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1LT Nick Kidwell
The VA itself is overwhelmed and broken. There are awesome personnel within the system, but it is clunky and cannot handle the current influx of new veterans needing care.
I'd say before mandating ANYthing regarding the VA, it should be fixed from the ground up.
I'd say before mandating ANYthing regarding the VA, it should be fixed from the ground up.
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