Posted on Aug 12, 2014
PFC Eric Minchey
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Here is where I stand: The media and the government would have us believe that torture is some necessary thing; That we need it to get information & assert ourselves. But I believe that torture is for the torturer or for the guy giving orders to the torturer & is useless as a means of getting information.

Just War Theory: "Enemy combatants who surrendered or who are captured no longer pose a threat. It is therefore wrong to torture them or otherwise mistreat them."
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SPC Leisel Luman
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Sgt. Tahmooressi is a Florida boy too. Know this I would have water boarded every Mexican official who was involved in keeping him caged like a animal. I would have needed the help of some patriotic big boys to help me. I'm glad that you were raised in the protective bubble of the USA. It saddens me that you don't know who to thank for it. You are "entitled" to post this because of those who served before you. Do you think that if we ask "pretty please with sugar on top" that they will stop their ethnic cleansing program? I don't think so
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CPT Senior Instructor
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We should never descend or lower ourselves to their level. I understand what can be gained from it but at what point do we down the line. When you get into the grey area you never know how close you are to the black until you are clearly there. The really never know what your shade of grey may mean or where you are ethically. If torture produces such great results who doesn't law enforcement use it? They could answer a lot of question quick. You would deter crime and save people. But the question is it all worth it if you torture someone who is completely innocent? Who decides how far you do? What if they die? If you find yourself asking questions that you enemy may be when they detain someone and torture we are lowering ourselves. These guys are hardened killers. They deserve to die but torturing someone day in and day out is something else. If you really wanted to know how one felt you may want to ask a victim that was a POW in the Vietnam war. You could ask if we should do the same thing.
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1SG Harold Piet
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There is no shade of grey for a soldier, Our orders clearly draw the line. If you cross that line then you should be punished according to UCMJ. If congress and our Commander in chief changes the standard we operate under the new standard until we see it as an illegal order or an immoral order then we disobey and suffer the consequences. The politicians that send us into war should give us task condition and standard then leave it to the experts, DOD, and stand back and watch as we start winning wars again instead of losing lives and seeing our progree lost back into what it was before we arrived.
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CPT Senior Instructor
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1SG Harold Piet I am not really referencing soldiers. Most of the questionable activities came from CIA and their contractors. Although there has been cases of soldiers that crossed the line and they were swiftly punished. The issue is really with our intelligence agencies.
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SFC James Sczymanski I think when a person dies while in custody it isn't really a enhanced interrogation. We don't even know what happened a lot of the time. I don't even have an issue with water boarding. What I question is a lot of these "Black" CIA interrogation elements. They had a person die while in their custody. I am not sure how he is going to talk after something like that. I know they do bad things to us but we do the same it is hard to say who is on the moral high ground.
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SSG Louis Marucci
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Much of your last two sentences are unintelligible and make no sense. Having said that, let me remind you that what the Nazis and Japanese did in WW II was torture as was Stalin's actions during his reign of terror. Later what the North Koreans did was torture. The NVA, Camir Rouge and countless other Communist countries tortured military and civilian personnel purely for the sake of torture. Currently, the beheadings, suicide bombings and shooting of civilians by Islamic terrorists in the name of, "religion", is torture. What the United States engaged in was information gathering from known or suspected terrorists and in no way can be compared to what the aforementioned purveyors of torture engaged in. Before criticizing our country, study the past then draw your conclusions from a foundation based on facts, Private.
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CDR Mike Kovack
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Perhaps those countries may not be who we want to compare ourselves to. It is interesting to note that both George Washington and John Adams argued for treating British prisoners humanely during the Revolutionary War - even though England was not extending the same courtesies to our prisoners. They argued that to do anything less was to stain the ideals they were fighting for.
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SSG Louis Marucci
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I can't speak for others, only for myself, on the issue of weather the methods in question that were employed by our country against terrorists would be considered information gathering or torture. I believe it is (was) information gathering. I am in no way comparing the United States to those countries/ regimes cited in my post which responded to the original question; we are good, they are (were) evil. They engaged in torture not only to gain information but for the sake of torture, itself. Washington and Adams were correct in their views on treating prisoners but war is the ultimate competition in life and second place is no fun. Do you believe those countries who opposed ours in war would be beating their breasts in shame had they come in first in war? I think not.
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Sgt Adam Jennings
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For those of you that keep bringing up the Geneva Conventions you are dead wrong. The Geneva Conventions only apply to signatory nations, last I checked Al Queda and ISIS are not nations, lol. And it only applies in that we are to receive GC protections ONLY if the un-signatory nation agrees to those terms, again, Al Queda and ISIS are not nations. Since Al Queda and ISIS are not nations and are definitely not signatory nations they are NOT covered under the GC just as we have no reason to expect them to honor the GC. I could understand such outrage if we were drawing and quartering prisoners, racking them and then pulling out their internals, or putting them in the Iron Maiden, or summarily executing them. But to say we're touring someone by using techniques that only make the person uncomfortable and leave no lasting physical effects then you might as well consider SERE training, BUD/S, Ranger School, etc torture.
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Sgt Adam Jennings
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Who said anything about the military doing this?
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CDR Mike Kovack
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Nobody. Because the military refused.
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Sgt Adam Jennings
Sgt Adam Jennings
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Oh, I see what you were saying.
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Sgt Adam Jennings
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Please SGT Luke Fouquier, by all means link where your info comes from then. I would love to see some fact based reports where sitting down and having tea (normal conversations) as led to pertinent Intel. That would be great. Or is this another case of, "well the news said..."?
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SGT Journeyman Plumber
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The amount of people in support of this, and the amount of tacit support being displayed via the thumbs the supporters are receiving disturbs me. Ends should never justify means, otherwise we would be able to condone literally anything regardless of how heinous. Torture is an unquestionably evil act, and the fact that there are so many people here who see no issue with it, justifying it as a means to an end, sickens me. To practice this violates every principle that gives us the moral high ground, violates every national value that is worth fighting for.

People wonder why so many people in the world despise us as a nation. This is why.
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SGT Journeyman Plumber
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SGT Robert Chestney We're just going to have to agree to disagree.
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Sgt Adam Jennings
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Touché sir.
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Sgt Robertson, it is beginning to appear that you want to stick to your opinion and attempt to push everyone to your side but not want to see anyone else's side. What part of the report did you read that undoubtedly proved that any of the "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" was torture? Has Congress taken the stance of what defines the act of torture?
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SSG Peter Muse
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I think there are enough alternatives in using chemicals or other techniques. I think the torturers are mostly poorly equipped to do the job and less prepared to live with themselves years later. We can get our answers using other methods. I think we like the retribution we attach to it.
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PFC Stephen Eric Serati
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ALL who had knowledge,ALL who took part in and out of the service should be investigated and charged appropriately.If we can't the UN and P5+1 should look at our membership.
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PFC Stephen Eric Serati
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MSG Steve Howell - I am for strengthening the UN and broadening NATO's capabilities to the degree they can make a real difference,as of now the UN is weakend by the way the UN leadership is picked.Solution:reform the selection process,and make it more transparent to all Citizens. Respectfully MSG.
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PFC Stephen Eric Serati
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MSG Steve Howell - In a nutshell,yes!But not the one out of your Bible.I would like to reach for a Higher Governance,more shared command where everyone has skin the game.Ever thing you've said is true,and you have every right to doubt.Some of our laws don't permit help keep that in mind.There is a Solution but it requires us to understand our problems as no longer National but Global issues.To operate in the new interconnected world you have to have interconnected Governments with the capability to react in real time.
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PFC Stephen Eric Serati
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MSG Steve Howell - I meant no disrespect MSG.
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Cpl Dennis F.
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Beat me, hurt me, just don't F'n bore me........oh......you mean them?
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SFC Mark Merino
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SFC Intelligence Analyst
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It's a war crime. Do it and go to prison.

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CW2 Humint Technician
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Torture, yes. Some of their examples of "torture" I'm not sure I agree are torture.
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SFC Intelligence Analyst
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I probably should have added that to my comment CW2 (Join to see).
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1SG Harold Piet
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they lived better in our custody than they did in the mountains they were living in,
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1SG Harold Piet
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nope never Riley, Fort Bragg, Fort Richardson, AK, Fort Campbell
Ellebel is still a little crossroads one store community, Pembroke has a great Dairy Queen. with Military discount
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