Posted on Jan 31, 2017
Where does it say that a narcotics NCO for any given company must be a SSG or higher (I've looked in 40-3, 40-61, and 190-51)?
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SGM Erik Marquez
Not at all, the narcotics in the aid station or provided a medic while deployed or otherwise on mission and supporting a unit on the ground must be tracked, inventoried and reported as used or returned.
In the aid station I seem to recall that was not delegated, but done by the PA or MEDO.
But unless it is required by reg, I see no reason a commander can not delegate the task to an NCO they trust.
In the aid station I seem to recall that was not delegated, but done by the PA or MEDO.
But unless it is required by reg, I see no reason a commander can not delegate the task to an NCO they trust.
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SGM Erik Marquez - Ah. Been a while since my medic days. But back then, I wasn't allowed to even touch narcotics as a Medic.
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SGM Erik Marquez
MSG (Join to see) - Medics that have been trained in the use, and giving duties that may require administration of narcotics have had them issued since at least WWII.. Well before my time.
I know Medics had morphine in the 1990's as I was administered some by a medic of the DZ after a spectacularly bad landing.
I know my medics in 2004~ 2012 drew narcotics while deployed... Some kept them between missions, just secured them in a locked and observed container, some turned them back in to the PA and re drew what was allowed just prior to a mission.
Cant say i know why it was done one way vs another..likely preference of the person in charge..the PA or commander ,,,or perhaps even the medic, not wanting to be responsible for security when not on mission.
I know Medics had morphine in the 1990's as I was administered some by a medic of the DZ after a spectacularly bad landing.
I know my medics in 2004~ 2012 drew narcotics while deployed... Some kept them between missions, just secured them in a locked and observed container, some turned them back in to the PA and re drew what was allowed just prior to a mission.
Cant say i know why it was done one way vs another..likely preference of the person in charge..the PA or commander ,,,or perhaps even the medic, not wanting to be responsible for security when not on mission.
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SGM Erik Marquez - There was a small window.....at least with my experience....where we weren't allowed to touch narcotics. When I was a medic in a combat engineer unit, the best I could give was aspirin and motrin. When I was a Medic on the med/surg ward in Germany, I wasn't allowed to touch anything.....including IV bags.
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It may only be unit policy..it may only be a unit commanders choice and decision.
Go look at your CIP inspection sheet for that area, It will likely have a check list question relative.
Is there an Officer or NCO in the rank of , or higher appointed on order to do monthly narcotics inventory?
Reference AR: 1234.987
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Were monthly inventories done and recored by an officer E13 or higher?
Reference DA PAM: 098.123
or
IAW post policy were month inventories done by the appointed person of appropriate rank forwarded to the Post medical officer?
Reference CG policy #123
Then follow up on the cited references.
If this is someone TELLING you the Narcotics NCO must be of grade XYZ or above, the onus is on them to cite the reg requiring that.
Go look at your CIP inspection sheet for that area, It will likely have a check list question relative.
Is there an Officer or NCO in the rank of , or higher appointed on order to do monthly narcotics inventory?
Reference AR: 1234.987
or
Were monthly inventories done and recored by an officer E13 or higher?
Reference DA PAM: 098.123
or
IAW post policy were month inventories done by the appointed person of appropriate rank forwarded to the Post medical officer?
Reference CG policy #123
Then follow up on the cited references.
If this is someone TELLING you the Narcotics NCO must be of grade XYZ or above, the onus is on them to cite the reg requiring that.
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SGM Erik Marquez
From the Fort Huachuca, Arizona 85613-7040 MEDDAC Memorandum
No. 40-170
Medical Services
MONTHLY INVENTORY AND AUDIT OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES
"7. GENERAL GUIDANCE FOR INVENTORY, CONTROL, AND ACCOUNTABILITY
OF CONTROLLED DRUG
7.1 The inventory officer will be a disinterested officer, noncommissioned officer (SFC
or above), or Department of the Army (DA) civilian (GS-7 or above). The commander or
designee will ensure the inventory officer receives appointment orders, a briefing
outlining the importance of their function and responsibilities, a current set of pertinent
regulations, and a list of activities to be inventoried to accomplish the inventory. "
So at Fort Huachuca the narcotics inventory NCO must be a SFC or above
No. 40-170
Medical Services
MONTHLY INVENTORY AND AUDIT OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES
"7. GENERAL GUIDANCE FOR INVENTORY, CONTROL, AND ACCOUNTABILITY
OF CONTROLLED DRUG
7.1 The inventory officer will be a disinterested officer, noncommissioned officer (SFC
or above), or Department of the Army (DA) civilian (GS-7 or above). The commander or
designee will ensure the inventory officer receives appointment orders, a briefing
outlining the importance of their function and responsibilities, a current set of pertinent
regulations, and a list of activities to be inventoried to accomplish the inventory. "
So at Fort Huachuca the narcotics inventory NCO must be a SFC or above
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SGM Erik Marquez - I saw that memo, I also saw another one that mentioned the control but didn't specify a rank. It seems to be command policy.
Thanks Sergeant Major.
Thanks Sergeant Major.
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