Posted on Feb 5, 2016
CPT Jack Durish
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Let's eliminate the obvious. He has already been presented with the pros and cons of firearm ownership and the various arguments over the 2nd Amendment, and made his informed choice to purchase and keep a firearm for home defense. Of course I recommended that he obtain professional training in the proper maintenance and safe handling of whatever he purchases.

http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=revolver

I had recommended the Taurus .45 cal/.410 shotgun. Actually, I'm considering one for myself. It seems to me that having a virtually nonlethal round in the first chamber would be desirable for someone who might be hesitant to pull the trigger, even when he, his family and home are threatened. The .45 Long would then provide effective stopping force for anyone who didn't take the hint. Also, I feel that revolvers are inherently more reliable, especially in the hands of a novice.

Wouldn't you know it, California has banned the sale of this weapon because it fires a shotgun shell. Oh the horror! A .410!

I advised him to go to another state and get one if he really wanted it. (That's what I'm likely to do)

However, what other options would you recommend?
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SP5 Donald Thornton
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45/410 ether the judge or bond arms hand cannon. 45 will go through the door 410 bird shot will hurt like hell.
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CPL Benjamin Cousins
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I would recommend moving out of California, but make sure to burn it all down before you close the door behind you.
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CPT Jack Durish
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I did and I didn't. I moved out of California two months ago and I didn't burn it down because the gas I would've had to use for accelerant cost more than the place is worth
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CPL Benjamin Cousins
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CPT Jack Durish Well said sir! Mad respect for the mustache btw.
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SGT Air Defense Radar Repairer
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Well a hand gun is like a pair of shoes. If it does not fit then its useless. First off is to discern the possible threats. Type of housing. Neighborhood. Response times for police and EMS. Individuals physical stature. Then the individual needs to go to a gun store that rents fire arms so they can try out the many options that there are and schedule a training class if they find something they like. Any recommendation a person gives is basically personal bias and most likely will not fit the needs of the individual.
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1SG Vet Technician
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A water pistol
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CDR Jerry Wells
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Maj Tyrone Frost
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Get a 12 gauge pump action shotgun, load rubber pellets or pepper spray filled pellets, second she'll a rubber slug, then the rest of the shells full up home defender slug and pellets. Shotguns are easy to use and when you cock the pump action back everyone on this planet knows that sound is and will be looking to leave ASAP.
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COL Ted Mc
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CPT Jack Durish - Captain; I'd recommend the handgun that the person can actually hold and fire safely and accurately.

It may sound facetious, but consider "black powder weapons" - they are MUCH more impressive when discharged than "smokeless powder weapons" AND you have to actually take them out and shoot them on a regular basis (if you want to keep them loaded) or else the loads in the cylinder chambers will deteriorate. (This means that you are constantly re-familiarizing yourself with your weapon.)

Any handgun that the owner hasn't fired in six months is going to be less effective than one that the owner fires on a regular basis (say "bi-weekly")

PS - You can load a "black powder weapon" with bird shot if you feel like it and "TheGummint" can't do a damn thing about it.

PPS - If you know what you are doing you can exchange cylinders just as fast as you can change magazines so you aren't really limited to six shots from your six-shooter.
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CPT Jack Durish
CPT Jack Durish
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Funny you should mention it. I only fired a black-powder revolver once. The owner had loaded the cylinder with alternating half and full charges. He fired the first half charge to convince me that it was easy to handle. Then, when I fired it and felt the kick, he laughed at me for being a wimp, took it back and fired it to again demonstrate how easy it was to handle. He had a good laugh and I had a sore hand.
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COL Ted Mc
COL Ted Mc
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CPT Jack Durish - Captain; That was NOT a "safe practice".

If you get something like

http://www.cabelas.com/product/shooting/firearms/black-powder-firearms/black-powder-revolvers|/pc/104792580/c/553829580/sc/571854780/i/567338580/pietta-model-1851-confederate-navy-44-caliber-black-powder-revolver-with-starter-kit/735154.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fblack-powder-revolvers%2F_%2FN-1115735%2FNs-CATEGORY_SEQ_567338580

You can adjust the load (and bullet weight) to whatever level you want it to be (remembering that the intended use is for less than 30 yards.

A double weight bullet with a half charge of powder will give roughly the same kick as a standard weight bullet with a full charge of powder. The fact that the bullet is only travelling at half speed doesn't affect the ft.lbs/sec impact force at all (and reduces the "carry" of the round so that it poses less of a danger to your neighbours.
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Capt Seid Waddell
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For someone with little or no training a long gun (rifle or shotgun) is safer than a hand gun because one is always more aware of where the muzzle is pointed. A double barrel shotgun would be the easiest for a novice to operate, followed by a pump shotgun. A novice with a semi-auto is a danger to themselves and others in the area. A .22 rifle (bolt or pump) would be very effective while not over penetrating and hitting innocents in other rooms.

If they choose to use a handgun, a revolver is safer and easier for a novice to operate. In this case, choose a caliber that they can afford to shoot a lot to become competent with it.

In any case, training should be the first item of business - even before selecting the firearm of choice. Many ranges have weapons for rent for use on that range. The novice could try several out to see what they like before buying their own weapon.
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COL David Turk
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Edited 10 y ago
I've wanted to buy a hand gun, but lived in CA. Too much of a hassle. Now in TN and have done some research. This is what I've decided on: Springfield Armory XD Mod. 2 45 ACP. Be careful as there are a lot of very similar models.

Now the why. First, I always liked the M1911 (as a former MP, and officer back in the day of the 45), so I wanted a semi automatic. Next, I wanted something a little lighter and smaller (age and use by wife too), so I looked for a "compact" weapon (shorter handle and barrel). Also had to be highly rated for ease of use.

The model above came back as a very good match. Apparently it's one of the choices for use as a concealed weapon (not my intent). It comes in 9mm, 40 and 45 ( I prefer the 45). It comes in three colors; black, and 2 two tone models. The prices on line range for $469 to list. The only problem, the cheaper stores are out of stock on the one I want.

Note, that if you buy it on line, it will have to shipped to an authorized dealer; paperwork plus background check. There are a bunch of links where you put in your zip code and it comes back with authorized dealers in your area. This is moot if you buy from a gun shop.

Once you've made your selection, get training. Not just on the operational aspects, but how to use it in the situation(s) your described. There are special classes covering various operational situations for a reason. On second thought, you may want to take the class first to see if you're cutout for using a hand gun in close quarters.

Just one opinion.

Good luck
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COL David Turk
COL David Turk
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Yea, but not proof read. glad you got through the mistakes.
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PO1 John Miller
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COL David Turk
If you like compact and subcompact, I recommend you look into the Glock line of subcompacts and "slim line" pistols. I did see where you said concealability is not one of your concerns, but they are easy to handle in my opinion.
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COL David Turk
COL David Turk
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PO1 John Miller - Thanks for the suggestion. I'll do that.
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COL David Turk
COL David Turk
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Long story short, ended up with a Kimber TLE Pro II stainless steel 45 cal. with laser.
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SGT John " Mac " McConnell
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CPT Jack Durish . Sir I would recommend a Ruger SR9. It is a 9mm . Not only it is one of the most worldly round to use, it is also inexpensive. Wal mart sell's umc target rounds for around 69 to 71 dollars for a box of 250. The Sr 9 has a slimmer hand grip for smaller hands. Just to let you know my wife loves it ! cost is anywhere between 300 to 500 dollars... Just shop around. Good luck sir..
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SGT Jd Cannon
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As a person who has dealt with weapons from age 16... now in my 50’s, the 1st lesson.... “the weapon is only as safe as the person operating it”. Learn safety 1st and then have someone “FIT” you for the handgun you are interested in purchasing. I would also stay away from a hand gun as 1st home defense weapon until you are relatively trained to hit center mass 95% shooting... bc you own whatever the bullet hits... and handguns travel at such a high velocity that it will travel across the street and into another home if you panic, miss and send one out the window and not a wall (and even that’s not a guaranteed stop). Shotgun... loaded (like the Chappell joke) Birdshot, birdshot , buckshot... bird... (and after that... the gun turns Jamaican buckshot,buckshot, buckshot,
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