Posted on Aug 10, 2014
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Strategically, who do you think the blame falls with? Is it Paul Bremer, GWB, or do you blame some of the senior leaders for screwing OIF up?

Not trying start a debate here, but it's obvious that this war was mishandled and strategically screwed up ... and if you need proof, just look at what ISIS is doing.

Thoughts?
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In my opinion, we didn't fail. The war itself was flawed from the beginning. Success was never clear, and there was no clear end state, much like Vietnam. When we bombed Japan, did we wallow in it, trying to decide how to fix the damage? No. We had a mission. In Iraq and Afghanistan, the mission stopped being war as soon as we worried about the "hearts and minds". Stabilizing an entire region is a far more detailed mission, but not a war.
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SSG Paralegal
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This is a horribly complicated question with no good answer. 100 years of geopolitics lay behind the power shift with thousands underlying the sectarian violence. But I put a lot of blame for this at the feet of the current administration. By withdrawing troops while removing and supporting the removal of the strawmen dictators the west had put in that stabilized the region. The al Qaida in Iraq was bad enough but when we started financing Isis in Syria and running guns through Libya to them, we secured chaos in Iraq.
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SPC Thomas Webb
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I don't think it was a failure... The Powers That Be got exactly what they wanted out of it.
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LTC Paul Heinlein
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The question needs to be worded better. The way it is currently worded evokes an immediate emotional response with people. I know of nothing that the US Military was tasked to do that was a failure. Now, at the Political/Strategic level, there were many decisions/ Policies that history has shown us were wrong and ended up not working as planned/envisioned.

But, instead of wasting our time trying to figure out/ debate "who's fault it is", we should be focused on "how are we going to fix it", because it has to be fixed! Who is responsible to fix it today is the current leadership (USA, Iraq, NATO, and whoever else has interests in the area).

"One day I was walking around and saw something wrong, and I thought 'Someone' needs to fix this. Then I realized I was 'Someone'!"
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Sir, you're right. I think I asked this question after some beers, and probably let my emotions take over when writing this. I agree with you to a "T" and hope we can turn things around in Iraq, or at least make it manageable for the Iraqis.
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LTC Paul Heinlein
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CPT (Join to see),

Beer is good! Hope you like Fort Bragg. Being stationed at FT Bragg was one of my best assignments! Best Wishes, Paul Heinlein
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Yes Sir, it is! (I'm an IPA guy, BTW) ... Fort Bragg and Fort Campbell are two assignments that have helped shape me into the leader I am today and I am extremely grateful for the experiences I've gained here. Anyways, best of luck to you as well Sir, and God bless! - Jonathan
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Cpl Christopher Allen-Shinn
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The failure is on the corrupt Iraqi politicians, not on the American military or Presidents Clinton, Bush, or Obama. I disagreed with the strategic decision to invade in 2003 by GWB, but regardless of that our military performed very well tactically and stabilized that state prior to our withdrawal.

Nobody (Obama, Iraqis, or ordinary Americans) wanted us to stay by the time that the Bush administration had ended and Obama had taken office. Theoretically, we could have engaged in nation-building and training/CT operations, but I doubt that our economy could've sustained that long term even if the political will was there.
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CAPT Gary Foster
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A lot of good Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines died trying to stabilize Iraq, so no one should blame our military. The civilian leadership on the other hand is very much responsible. Starting with the Iraqi government that the US helped establish, they wanted us out of their country. They apparently had very little idea that this sort of thing could happen, and certainly without our presence it did. It's almost amusing to watch the current spin from the administration trying to dance away from taking responsibility. Once again, it is "Bush's fault." Some of it is, but look who has been "spiking the football" to use an overused sports analogy. Over the last six years (coincidental with the administration) we have seen the results of an apologetic foreign policy that has resulted in a continuing Arab Spring, persecution of Christians, and the rise of radical Islam. The self-gratification of proclaiming "I got us out of Iraq; I got Osama Bin Laden; Al Qaeda is decimated; ISIS is the JV, etc......" the list goes on, was constantly drilled by the administration and a media that no longer is there to check and balance what the administration says and does. Mrs. Clinton pointing the finger at the President is as laughable as his inaction. She was at the helm of foreign policy while it burned itself beyond recognition. The result has been disastrous: Four dead Americans in Benghazi; a complete reversal of compassion for a Palestinian state that continues to terrorize Israel, without any help from the US, and numerous other events that do nothing but raise eyebrows. All we are apparently doing is setting up for the next great battle that we will inevitably be sucked into without any help from the useless UN. We are the world's police force whether we choose to admit it or not. We are the only country that unselfishly commits our resources to other countries for not only defeating aggression, but Americans as a people give more in monetary and human assistance for disaster relief. I am proud to be an American, but the longer we sit back on vacation while the world goes to hell in a hand-basket tells me that we are being set up for a mega-battle for world freedom. Isolationists will tell us not to get involved. That’s arrogant and selfish, considering how we got involved because of 9-11.
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LTC Paul Labrador
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Well said, sir!
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CAPT Gary Foster
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I am not going to get into the "blaming Bush" crowd. That is very old and at the time of the invasion, Democrats and Republicans alike were hawkish. So you can blame him if you wish, but the representatives and senators who voted to go to war based on evidence that Colin Powell presented share equal blame. Now in the present day, I believe the President was on his last vacation in Hawaii a few months ago when we should have engaged in aerial bombardment to stop the advance of ISIS, IS, ISIL, whatever the flavor of the day is for terrorists. There is a tendency to overlook how our forces stopped the extermination of the Kurds and other Iraqis. So if we all want to hold hands and sing Kumbaya while more innocent bloodshed occurs that's a prerogative that is guaranteed by our constitution for the freedom we have. I joined the military 30 years ago because I gave a crap for the well being of others. Every person ought to be guaranteed life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Blaming Bush for the rise of radical Islam doesn't help solve any problems. Radical Islam's rise started well before he took office. The current administration's views are to just look the other way, which in my opinion indicates a lack of moral clarity and conviction.
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CPT Robert Skinner
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CAPT Foster,

LCpl Lance Waller has on previous post stated his disdain for George Bush and he will negate your opinion since he has a left-leaning political stance. I agree with your assertion that the current administration has their heads in the sand. I also agree with your assertion that both Democrats and Republicans were hawkish in the aftermath of 9-11.

LCpl Waller, you suggested or laid out several issues that you proposed was President Bush's fault. I would question your accuracy on the JCOS requesting more troops, I do recall GEN Shinseki requesting more boots on ground, but not the JCOS. The status quo in the middle east was destroyed by our invasion? The blatant disregard for several UN security measures and yet, we did nothing. President Bush did what he thought along with several democrats what was needed for our country at the time. Did he have faults, yes, but given the circumstances at the time and information, you go with that information that you've at the time. I do think you brought up some valid issues in your argument, albeit agressively.

I would ask you can you accept that in the fluid situation that it was after the 9-11 attacks that it was difficult for both the President and Congress. In the ideal world we would of not gone in, but demonizing the political opposition doesn't help nor bring compromise.
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SSG Mike Angelo
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Cpt Johathan,

In my honest opinion, failure in Iraq was not our military but looking at the soft power in the diplomatic arena.

America's diplomatic relationships has been built on a military power, agriculture, education and technology, while smaller countries who have survived thousands of years relying on lesser amounts and other resources for a more meaningful and sustainable diplomatic impact.

America has one of the greatest military powers on the planet modern man has ever seen, but has local, regional, and global challenges in diplomacy. US Embassies and Consulates are like palaces, huge and small town Western and dominate American culture, representing a strong presence from the West.

If our presence in the region is so huge, why isn't America's diplomatic story in Iraq not mainstream media? It is possible that there is none. It is also possible that American diplomacy efforts are hidden from the American people and the world, for what ever reason. Whose to blame?

If there is blame, we must blame our inadequacies in our diplomatic relationships. Blame, as much as there is, the solution set would be to envision realistic resolve with great promise in our young country's diplomacy in action.

Thank you for your service.
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LTC Paul Labrador
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Soft power does not work with the lunatic fringe....
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SSG Mike Angelo
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LTC Paul,

Point taken with soft power and lunatic fringe...

Secretary Kerry has set limits and boundaries on our humanitarian aid and military support to Iraq's disaster. This is the layer of diplomacy that I was referring to.

In Iraq, there are several layers of US diplomacy here; limited foreign services; protect American interests, provide humanitarian aide, collaborate with our partners with International nations...Canada, and European nations for example...

It is Iraq's escalating disaster, and America is limited in scope and in action.
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The Iraqi government is responsible for the state of affairs. They were left with a good product: A country basically built by the US with US dollars, and an entire infrastructure that needed only to be maintained to remain fully functional.

They failed to manage their own country.

An over-simplified analogy: I cleaned my 6 year old son's disaster of a bedroom this weekend. This morning, it was back to disaster status. I told him he would have to clean up the mess this time, and he complained "but its too messy, i cant clean it all by myself". My response: " I already cleaned it up once, all you have to do is take care of it".

Iraq in a nutshell.
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SSG Mike Angelo
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Iraq cannot move forward without a change in their Constitution. Just like Japan's situation. This is part of the American diplomacy I also was referring to.
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LTC Paul Labrador
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Iraq was behind the 8 ball from teh beginning. A major part of it was the "do for me" attitiude. This culture was reinforced during Sadam's rule. Further, the Iraqi brain drain was also significant. Any Iraqi with any bit of intelligence, education or ability either left the first opportunity they could or they ended up dead as threats to the regime. It's kind of hard to build a government "of the people" when the folks who are left aren't the best or brightest.
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SSG Mike Angelo
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LTC Paul,

Culture has been a major factor, as with the GLOBE cultural dimensions, In-group collectivism was and still is high, as in the 0500 hrs horn or muslim practice, family values and loyalty toward their own groups and organizations....On the low side, gender egalitarianism where women's rights are unequal to men. Standard throughout the Middle East. Iraq did have Sadam's rule. Yes, we trained both Iraq and Iran at the same time here in the US back in the 1970s when Russian military influence was also high in the region and Israel was installing rear view mirrors on their US F4 fighters.

From the beginning, the vision of the Iraq nation is to destroy Israel. So was Iran, Lebanon, Syria and other Arab nations in and out of the Fertile Crescent. Now that we retrofitted the much of the whole region with a US led military industrialization program, can we as a nation get back to our own national issues and address the needs of the American people?
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SSgt Senior It Security Analyst
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All of the above. Iraqi government; current and past presidents and cowardly general and flag officers who would not stand up for what was the right thing to do, only the politically correct thing to do.
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MSG Bill DeSouza
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1. The fact that the US are in Iraq in the first place
2. The fact that there was no discernable long term plan for a feasible exit strategy from the begining
3. The Iraq governments’ infighting, graft, and general disorganization
4. The clan structure and the inability for the US (under Bush) to see and understand the internal dynamics of the Iraq people
5. Fighting a war by proxy with under paid, ill-trained, ill-disciplined Iraqi troops
6. Making the same mistakes over and over again due to a lack of understanding by US troops on the ground on the Iraqi clan structure and thinking that the Iraqi people would all welcome the US (FYI, This is the fault of the senior officers and political string pullers and not the fault of the general ground troops)
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