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Strategically, who do you think the blame falls with? Is it Paul Bremer, GWB, or do you blame some of the senior leaders for screwing OIF up?

Not trying start a debate here, but it's obvious that this war was mishandled and strategically screwed up ... and if you need proof, just look at what ISIS is doing.

Thoughts?
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The Infantry!!!! No, just kidding.

I feel it could be both the Bush administration not having a clear, defined strategy for victory, claiming victory too soon and the Obama administration for not having a clear, defined exit strategy that took into account the three warring factions (Shiats, Sunnis and Kurds)
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TSgt Phillip Temple
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We had an example in the Kuwait conflict. When the President at the time refused
to follow the Powell doctrine, he guaranteed the quagmire that inevitably followed,
replaying most of the failures of the Vietnam conflict...engaged in a conflict that
could not be "won", especially given the history of the region.

I'm not even going to address a sitting President getting on an aircraft carrier with a big sign saying,well, you know....

Now, if you look at which businesses made a huge profit from this conflict...it's
like a old NCO once told me...Follow The Money..
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SSG Joel Senn
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I think the proposed question ignores the catalyst of what "caused" the United States to invade a sovereign nation? I served Active Duty for 10 years, with 3 tours to Iraq...initially I was enraged, but only because the misinformation and propaganda that was designed for that end. Freedom is fundamentally an oxymoron for a people conditioned to believe that "Nationalism" and "Freedom" are in direct opposition to their faith. The people of Iraq and other Muslim nations cannot bridge the gap in their understanding of the benefits gained through a non-totalitarian, non-religious form of government. They cannot separate "church and state" they are quite literally one-in-the-same! So to pointedly answer the question, I propose one of my own: What in your life experience, would a successful outcome in Iraq resemble? Given the recent world current, how would that be accomplished? Because Iraq is only the stage this genocide is being featured, but is rapidly becoming a blockbuster hit sweeping the world
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The same ones that were responsible for us losing in Vietnam. The Federal Government. They talk a good show but when it comes down to it, they are all mouth. If they think some raw recruits can go into a country that have been fighting wars since before Jesus was born, and train and change their thoughts about other Arab nations, they are nuts. From what I've seen since Iraq 1992, they, the people, are lazy, either stupid or don't care, and want everything handed to them on a silver platter. When we are finally out of the Middle East, things will return to the way it was before we wasted all those lives and injuries trying to teach them and reform them. Sadly, it's all a crock. IMHO
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SFC Collin McMillion
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When there is a war there is money to be made, when the money isn't enough time to quit. My stepson was a sniper in Iraq, his biggest complaint was that he had to sit and watch the enemy fire mores into fireballs while waiting for permission to take them out, a lot of time it was hit and run, so when permission came there was no one to fire at. Our values have changed to much, politics and money dictated the startING and stopping. Don't build me a house and not put on the doors and windows, do send people to fight for you unless you are going to finish the job. When the money is weak and public opinion is strong, we are still dying while they are trying to find a way out and keep their wealth, jobs, and power for another day.
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SSG Jeremy Larkin
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I Think it falls with the Iraqi Military, They don't take the training that we have given our lives to give them Seriously, But they will now. We as soldiers and Leader did what was expected of us, Now its time for a County to do what a County does, Become self Sufficient. We didn't screw up. But we did over estimate the people we were supposed to be Helping.
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SGT Kenneth Duncan
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Just look at what is happening now, NOTHING. We have a lead from behind President.
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SSgt Hal Kiah
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I would have to say that it was a screw up in a number of areas, both politically, and stratigically, with the politics having a heavier hand in the matter. Going into Iraq was something that I was not in favor of, and hoped was a course that GW would not take. I can't, and won't put the blame on him, like the current administration and others have done, primarily because it was a decision made, based on the purported intell that we had available. Then polkitics took over after the change of administration. With the early pull , and comlete (which was wrong, no mater How you look at it) out of our forces, it was a heavy game changer for the people of Iraq, along with the fact that politics within Iraq were playing a heavy and negative role in how things were being handled, along with so many Iraqi "soldiers" abandoning their posts, and weapons because of their fears of a contingent of extremists that, if the countries troops had held their ground and acted like soldiers, I believe the threat could have been stopped, before it went any further. So there are a number of places where fingers could be pointed at.
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SSgt Hal Kiah
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I would have to say that it was a screw up in a number of areas, both politically, and stratigically, with the politics having a heavier hand in the matter. Going into Iraq was something that I was not in favor of, and hoped was a course that GW would not take. I can't, and won't put the blame on him, like the current administration and others have done, primarily because it was a decision made, based on the purported intell that we had available. Then polkitics took over after the change of administration. With the early pull , and comlete (which was wrong, no mater How you look at it) out of our forces, it was a heavy game changer for the people of Iraq, along with the fact that politics within Iraq were playing a heavy and negative role in how things were being handled, along with so many Iraqi "soldiers" abandoning their posts, and weapons because of their fears of a contingent of extremists that, if the countries troops had held their ground and acted like soldiers, I believe the threat could have been stopped, before it went any further. So there are a number of places where fingers could be pointed at.
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PO3 Michael James
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Ok.. Sorry, not to cause trouble.. however, Our Military always needs the Support and Blessings of the Citizens of this country !!! Did we loose the Vietnam War ?? Who does NOT listen to our Generals ? Who declares War, sending thousands of young men, and now women into "harms Way" and then decides to cut the funding ? All of us just Followed Orders, we did not desert, we did not dodge the "draft" We certainly are not to fault, when what looked good on paper, did not work !
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