Posted on Apr 14, 2015
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I understand it's difficult to compare quarterbacks over different times with different rules and regulations, but I'm going to make my case regardless. I believe Tom Brady is the greatest QB of all time (not the greatest player, that's a silly argument), and here's why.

1. Brady's done more with less, more than anyone else (if that makes sense).

The receivers Tom Brady has won Super Bowls with as a QB aren't going into the Hall of Fame on the first ballot, but it's safe to say he hasn't been surrounded with much talent of that caliber throughout his career. The two exceptions; Randy Moss in 2007 (Brady connected with him for 23 TDs) and Rob Gronkowski (2011-present). Other than those two, his receiving cast has been composed of players who few knew before their stints at New England. Prime examples: David Patten, Troy Brown, David Givens, Donte' Stallworth, Jabar Gaffney, Deion Branch, Wes Welker, Danny Amendola, Kenbrell Thompkins and Julian Edelman (to some extent). Now I'm not trying to take away from their respective skill sets; these receivers worked amazingly in the New England offensive scheme and could probably have been successful with many other QBs, but it's hard to deny how quickly these receivers became known after catching passes from Brady. I have to give Edelman a lot of credit though because he's not only transitioned from a college QB to NFL WR (after going in the 7th round), but he fights hard for every yard he gains. He's an excellent punt returner, and to top it off he's not afraid of getting hit across the middle (that 3rd and 14 in the 4th quarter of Super Bowl XLIX comes to mind).

2. His journey from Michigan to the NFL wasn't easy, but very rewarding.

He was buried on the depth chart at Michigan for his freshman and sophomore years of college, with Brian Griese starting at the time. He grew so frustrated he sought advice from assistant athletic director Greg Harden, who helped him build his confidence both on and off the field. Brady battled Drew Henson for the Wolverines' starting job and got it, starting his junior and senior years. Michigan won 20 of 25 games that Brady started and he won the 200 Orange Bowl over Alabama, throwing for 369 yards and 4 TDs.

Success at Michigan led to a less-than-favorable combine performance for Brady. The New England Patriots ultimately selected him with the 199th overall pick in the sixth round (a compensatory pick). Many call this the greatest draft pick in NFL history, considering his career.

3. He's engineered 35 4th QTR comebacks, and 46 game-winning drives.

Four of those GWDs were the 4 Super Bowl games Brady played in. Two of them (XXXVIII and XLIX) were 4th-quarter comebacks. Brady's last 10 game-winning drives have all been 4th-quarter comebacks, dating back to the October 21, 2012 game against the New York Jets (Pats won 29-26). One of the comebacks was the 34-31 thriller against the Denver Broncos in Foxborough (the Patriots, down 24-0 scored 31 unanswered points before overtime). The fact that Brady has been able to face adversity and overcome it so many times is a tribute to his legacy in my opinion.

4. Postseason Legacy

He and the Patriots have won 6 AFC Championships, appearing in 9 of them. He's obviously been part of 6 Super Bowl teams and won 4 of them, earning 3 Super Bowl MVP awards. He's won more playoff games than any other QB, with a playoff record of 21-8. I could go on his Wikipedia page and quote more stats, but I think this gets the message across.

5. His set of intangibles is virtually unparalleled.

I've seen few QBs manage a game the way Brady does or negotiate the pocket the way Brady does. How about Super Bowl XLIX, in the 4th quarter when pressure was coming at Brady from all sides so he shuffled forward and fired down the middle to Edelman on that first 3rd-and-14. The second one was similar, except he fooled Demarcus Dobbs and fired the ball past him for another 21-yard completion to Edelman. Also, while he doesn't do it often, Brady's not afraid to run the ball if he's out of options. He's scored 14 rushing TDs over the course of his career in the regular season, rushing for a total of 823 yards (on 470 attempts, a 1.8 YPC average). It's amazing that he's been able to be so dominant despite his being sacked 364 times in his career. Ben Roethlisberger is the only active QB who's been sacked more (419). Keep in mind that Peyton Manning has played two more years than Brady has, and he's been sacked 284 times.

6. 4-2 is better than 4-0.

Just wanted to put this in here because I'm sure there will be those who believe Joe Montana is the GOAT. It's a solid argument, but let's put this in perspective; Montana may have gotten injured before his chance to get to his 5th, 6th etc. was possible, but that could have also happened to Tom Brady. Montana had chances to win more NFC Championships to get to the big stage, but didn't. It's just how it is. One can argue that Montana threw 11 TDs, 0 INTs in his Super Bowls, which is fine and dandy.. but how much better would Tom Brady's stats be if he had Jerry Rice for two of his Super Bowls, or if he had Randy Moss for two Super Bowls? Montana was surrounded with elite talent in Jerry Rice, Dwight Clark, Freddie Solomon and John Taylor at WR; Roger Craig, Earl Cooper, Ricky Patton and Wendell Tyler at RB. On defense, Ronnie Lott, Eric Wright, Carlton Williamson and Dwight Hicks were some of the best defensive players in the league at that time.

I'm not trying to say Brady's never had a talented team around him because he always has, but his accomplishments in the salary cap era where one can't stack a team with prolific talent across the board is telling of his poise and game-management skills. These are the reasons why I believe Brady to be the best of all-time; he's better than Dan Marino, Johnny Unitas, Peyton Manning, and anyone else, and I'm open to debate on the matter.

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SCPO David Lockwood
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Way too many great Quarter Backs to choose just one. Tarkington, Namath, Bradshaw, Montana, Star, Aikman, Staubach, Plunkett, Moreno I know there are more. How can you choose just one?
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Unfortunately its the perception that made the TEAM look bad in both cases. Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying Tom Brady isn't a great quarterback but there are so many great quarterbacks out there past and present. Superbowl wins should not carry a lot of weight because football has been around for over 100 years. By weighing in Superbowl wins would leave out many prior to the Superbowl era. One last thing and that is depending on who you talk to there are many variances of who the QBs are. One I saw Brady was #6 in another he was #4, it all depends who is doing the poll. My opinion.
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It's one thing if the Patriots were at fault for something a little more 'devilish', like pumping steroids to the players, or a salary cap violation. I could see the perception of something like that being disastrous similar to what's being perceived today; with that in mind, why is it that Spygate is an immediate factor into what Tom Brady has accomplished? I find it absurd that he benefited in any way from Spygate to go 16-0 that regular season.

Super Bowls don't count too much in my opinion; they matter more in the comparison of Montana and Brady because of their tie in wins. I think how well you perform compared to the talent of the players around you says a lot about your football acumen, and Brady has no equal in that regard. I'm happy I've been able to watch his career unfold.
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SCPO David Lockwood I actually went to school with Aikman, but he went to the Cowboys...
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It worked out for the best for him. What was he like in school?
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Montana. GOAT.
Marino: Best QB to not win a ring.
I get Brady and Manning. But with Brady's Spygate and deflate gate and any other gates, and Manning managing to win only one. It's difficult to say. One thing is for sure. They will ALL wear Yellow jackets regardless.
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SPC Patrick Caldwell
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MSG (Join to see), I agree with Dan Marino being the best to not win a ring. I don't agree with associating Spygate/Deflategate with Tom Brady. Brady had nothing to do with Spygate, and we're still awaiting the Ted Wells report on Deflategate.. but I find it hard to believe Brady intentionally wanted any ball deflated by 2 psi of air, especially know the Colts were a team to beat with the running game.

Why do you believe Montana is the GOAT?
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Montana literally dominated every super bowl he attended. Brady needed more tries to achieve that success. plus it was a hand me down system for Brady. Bledsoe led them to his first SB. And I find it hard to believe he couldn't tell the balls lost air pressure when you've been playing that position for so long. Solely my opinion tho.
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The 49ers were stacked back in Montana's day with no salary cap to limit the amount of talent they could surround Joe Cool with. Having Rice for two of his Super Bowls, Roger Craig, Dwight Clark and John Taylor along with that stud defense led by Ronnie Lott.. it's hard for me to see Montana as the sole reason why they were so successful. He 'dominated' the opposing team because the 49ers outclassed everyone in the 80's.

The best defense Montana faced in the Super Bowl in terms of yards allowed was the '89 Denver Broncos that allowed 4,407 yards in the regular season. The other three teams Montana faced all gave up at least 5,100 yards, which was right around or below the league average at the time.

Just one of Brady's Super Bowl foes gave up over 5,000 yards in the regular season: the '04 Eagles. The '01 Rams, '03 Panthers and '14 Seahawks allowed between 4,274 and 4,725 yards, all marks well above the league average.

Drew Bledsoe started the first two games of the 2001 season and got injured into the second game, where Brady replaced him from then on. Those two games were losses. I fail to see how Bledsoe "led them to his first SB".

It's precisely that point of finding it hard to believe he wouldn't be able to tell the difference in air pressure that I feel Deflategate's a giant fiasco. The refs would have known the difference too, seeing as they touch these footballs after every snap. There's no possible way Brady would have been able to get away with it, or Belichick for that matter. A 2 psi of air difference in a ball is noticeable, even if a little.. those refs would had to have been pretty dumb to not catch on. Hence why it's fishy the allegations started after D'Qwell Jackson caught that interception.
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Dan Fouts!!! Power of the beard!!!! hahaha
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PO1 Cleve Ikaika Waiwaiole
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he did appear in a Super Bowl. against the 49ers.
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PO1 Cleve Ikaika Waiwaiole
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crap i think i got mixed up with someone else nvm
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PO1 Cleve Ikaika Waiwaiole
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but besides that, fouts was on top in the 1970's passing. he led the NFL in passing 4 seasons in a row. Broke half a dozen records, hall of fame, 6x pro bowl, this guy was "the" passing quarterback of that time
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SPC Patrick Caldwell
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PO1 Cleve Ikaika Waiwaiole there's no denying that Fouts was a revolutionary QB of his day, but I just can't place him along with greats like Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Johnny Unitas, John Elway, Peyton Manning, Fran Tarkenton, and others. Of course Fouts was the 'Peyton' of his day and had many individual records, but I don't believe him to be a GOAT to any extent.
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GOAT

Have to start considering Brady in terms of athletes in any sport, not just football.

Jordan
Tiger
Federer
That sort of company
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Plenty of great names posted here but there = only one Broadway Joe Willie Namath! Go Jets! (and all the other QBs mentioned in this thread).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPw4upXBdxo
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SSG John Erny
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Game of the Century, need I say more: Jonny Rodgers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Rodgers
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SPC Patrick Caldwell
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I honestly don't know what to say to this.
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SSG John Erny
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SPC Patrick Caldwell,

It is fun to ruffle some feathers from time to time.
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SPC Patrick Caldwell
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I was chuckling when I opened the Wikipedia link. I never heard of Johnny Rodgers before honestly. Sounds like a Bo Jackson kind of story.
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#1 Nebraska VS #2 Oklahoma It was one of the the all time great games ever played in college foot ball. Nebraska VS. Oklahoma was always a grudge match, it did not matter who was ranked what, it was game on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Nebraska_vs._Oklahoma_football_game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6Yh867H4Sg
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Best Overall Quarterback? Joe Montana!
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SGT John Wesley
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All around! His overall stats and Super Bowl rings speak for themselves. Tom Brady would be my 2nd choice but he doesn't have the charisma that Joe Montana has.
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SPC Patrick Caldwell
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Whenever I watch Tom Brady play, you can see how much he and his teammates respect one another and how he leads them on offense. I still remember in the Week 9 game against Denver last year; Julian Edelman got a punt return TD and Brady ran out to the end zone to celebrate with him there because "he's his guy". That kind of stuff makes me really respect Brady because he knows he's nothing without his team and that they need to stick together to succeed. Not that Montana never did that kind of thing, I'm just pointing out what I saw in Brady.

4-2 in the Super Bowl vs. 4-0. I'd rather have Brady's resume personally because while I may have lost two, I was able to say I made it to 6. Won 6 Conference Championships and appeared in 9 of them. Brady's got the highest winning % in NFL history for QBs. He's also the active QB who's been sacked the most behind Ben Roethlisberger (419). Brady's been taken down 364 times. That's more than Peyton Manning, who's started two more seasons than Brady.

I just feel like Brady's resume is more complete and that, while everyone's entitled to their own opinion, it's hard to dispute Brady as the GOAT now.. especially when you think that he may have another 2 or 3 elite years left in him (barring injury).
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